Hi there! Thre is such a nice filter option the Numista website has - one can sort out the coin types based on the criteria of circulation which means that only those really circulating coins (sometimes referred to as business strikes) are filtered out, not those coins which were speacially minted for collectors to be sold at a premium, which are called NCLT.
So to round it up, here is the extract from wiki:
Regular issue coinage are the normal coins intended to be used in commerce every day and are typically issued with the same design for several years, e.g. euro coins. Circulating commemoratives are intended to be used for commerce, but the design will only be issued for a limited time, is intended to draw some attention to a specific event or person. Examples include the €2 commemorative coins, or U.S. 50 State Quarters. Non circulating legal tender (NCLT) are coins which are legal tender, and thus can in theory be used to purchase goods or services, but are not intended to be used in such a manner. Rather, they are intended to be used only as souvenirs, and are often produced in gold or silver with a proof finish.
The issue I would like to raise here is the following:
when I check in to show only circulating (including euros) coinage, I expect to see regular issue coinage types but take e.g. France, it lists also silver 10 Euro coins which are by no means business strikes, I agree that still they are legal tender and theoretically one can pay using them say in a store (as face value, not taking into the account their intrinsic value, i.e. the cost of the precious metal they may contain). So I've tried several times to issue a modification ticket for admins and once several such coins were approved to be changed from circulating to non-circulating, another time all such request have been turned down. What do you think about it? I hold the opinion that it would be nice if regular issue coingae and NCLTs are displayed as separated when using the corresponding filters as described above, probably we need just to go through all the Numista countries and just tidy up a bit removing NCLTs from circulating and moving them to non-circulating issues! I would be happy to hear your ideas guys, and also the opinion of our respected Numista admins.
The coins are indeed non-circulating. If you would like, you may make a request on the coins and select "non-circulating" and I will accept them for you.
Thanks for finding them.
Kenny
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no! these coins are circulating in France, not many saw their numbers, but sometimes they travel frequently, they are made for. Please do not change it again.
So any decision here? Everything that is above 2 Euro is non-circulating. The only country we have it like circulating is French coins because the French team just "thinks" so. Let us be consistent!!! And at last exclude all those silver Euro pieces from circulating to non-circulating!!!
Citeer: "gebikimame"So any decision here? Everything that is above 2 Euro is non-circulating. The only country we have it like circulating is French coins because the French team just "thinks" so. Let us be consistent!!! And at last exclude all those silver Euro pieces from circulating to non-circulating!!!
In all actuality, the collector Euros above 2€ are legal tender but only in the country of origin.
So all of the collector Euros should be moved from tokens to their respective country. They are legal tender and can legally circulate, if people are ignorant enough to spend them ...
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Actually there are two types of NCLT coins, the ones that can be purchased at face value and do circulate sometimes and the ones that were never sold at face value like e.g. Euro gold coins. But I also think they all should be marked as not circulating because they are not really meant for circulation. We should treat all of those not really circulating coins the same way and as long as there are only the options "circulating" and "non circulating" I think we should tick "non circulating"...
I'm not orange and also in other things I'm not a Donald at all. DonChori like Don Felipe or Doña María, por favor.
ANY COINS ABOVE 2 EURO ARE NOT CIRCULATING, THEY ARE ONLY LEGAL TENDER (YOU CAN GET THEM FROM THE BANK AND GIVE THEM TO ANYONE THAT ACCEPTS THEM) BUT THEY ARE NOT PUT INTO CIRCULATION!!
HOW CAN YOU THINK THAT SILVER COINS ARE ACTUALLY CIRCULATING IN EUROPE IN THIS CENTURY???
I have tried a number of times to post a modification request to change all French coins above 2 Euro to be marked as non-circulating but ... every time all my requests were rejected, so I am tired of fighting a bunch of French collectors here on Numista who just ignore the majority and stubbornly stick to their way of thinking as if Numista were their privately-owned site. It just resembles a kind of a sect. I have given up already. All efforts are just wasted.
Citeer: "gebikimame"I have tried a number of times to post a modification request to change all French coins above 2 Euro to be marked as non-circulating but ... every time all my requests were rejected, so I am tired of fighting a bunch of French collectors here on Numista who just ignore the majority and stubbornly stick to their way of thinking as if Numista were their privately-owned site. It just resembles a kind of a sect. I have given up already. All efforts are just wasted.
It's nice to that some one else recognizes it for what it is ...
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Why is it still such a surprise that these coins are in circulation in France? They were distributed to the public at no extra charge. In essence, it's a circulating commemorative.
Besides, what you find in circulation is not always what it was intended for. There are plenty of examples of that:
- low denominations from mint/proof set coins that have been mishandled/suffered environmental damage
- foreign coins (Canadian change is quite common in the US)
- old silver coins (especially in countries like Switzerland and the US, where designs haven't changed in many decades, you can still find silver in rolls from your local bank)
- coins that have been demonetized decades ago but still pop up in circulation (for example, in USSR, pre-1961 coins could still occasionally be found in change as late as 1991, even though they were no longer legal tender)
Canada has a nearly identical $20 coin program, but not even the most manic collector would call them "circulating"... because... wait for it... they don't circulate.
Unless further evidence is provided I will also chalk this one up to a little bit of "special treatment" re: the French listings.
Citeer: "nalaberong"Canada has a nearly identical $20 coin program, but not even the most manic collector would call them "circulating"... because... wait for it... they don't circulate.
Unless further evidence is provided I will also chalk this one up to a little bit of "special treatment" re: the French listings.
Believe it or not, some Canadians did buy those $20 coins expecting to be able to pay with them. Hey, if you can get them at no extra charge from the mint AND with free shipping, why not?
Leave them alone, it is absolutely useless to persuade them (( It is a French patriotic sect and it will remain a sect. Given them a chance, and every coin on Numista would be labelled as circulating just to follow the logic that any non-circulating issue can eventually end up being spent by careless people. So we have all EU countries cleaned up and now all coins above 2 Euro are labelled as non-circulating and only this French "patriotic" approach hinders achieving the cleanness of Numista in this respect. Nope, to tell you the truth, there is also a guy from Portugal who is also too focused on Portuguese uniqueness and silver Euros and pre-Euros that were never intended to be circulating are ridiculously labelled by him as circulating. Rejected, Rejected, Rejected - ahahaha, this is more that I can live up with (( Alas, I am giving up, let somebody else continue this war! Those people are really stubborn. A full stop, a full BOLD stop. I don't care anymore!!! There is just no mechanism to harness such "public", as there is no mechanism for harnessing the mysterious guy who has almost ruined Numista catalog by changing the denominations names into native languages designations. Alas, this is Numista, baby, and you have to take it as it is ((( Buy.
Citeer: "gebikimame"as there is no mechanism for harnessing the mysterious guy who has almost ruined Numista catalog by changing the denominations names into native languages designations.
Yeah, I'd like to know who is responsible for this fiasco too. I have my suspicions but the "team" have circled the wagons to protect him / her and the culprit remains free to continue with the destruction.
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Well... Even French my point of view about it is softer. I would more say the concerned coins are more "borderline" and depending of each series.
I know there were silver coins in France, but very few were intented to circulate after the LMU collapse. The last one before the euro were the 100F coins, almost commemoratives outside the pre-1990 FDC sets and later Proof sets.
Since the euro arrived, most of them were considered uncirculating. Anyway, some special series of €5-€10-€15-€25 coins are distributed outside the usual circuits as given by the French Post instead of the mint.
The 1st series was able to be distributed as a cash refund, so the Semeuse series is the closest series to the category of circulating commemoratives, remembering the EU statements about the state commemorative denominations statement cited before. And please notice its €15 coin is btw a hommage to the 100F coinage as sharing the dimensions, the alloy... and almost its facial value (100F = €15.24). Notice we can really try to use them as circulating coins, even not even accepted as ignorance rules about them.
Since then new series arrived: the Region series, the Valours of the Republic series, and additional Hercules and Rooster series. I'm not sure at all for higher denominations, but for sure coins are still given like uncirculated coinage from rolls. The Region series saw the alloy to be modified after the 1st mining year to make its coinage cheaper (half silver instead of 90%). The Valours series became more like billon coinage as made of a third of silver only. Another issue concerns the way to obtain them: both series are able to be "bought" for face value, like are German €10 silver coins, but not only at the mint: the post offices are still distributing the latest 2015 versions of the Valours series (those depicting Asterix as a vector of such valours). The worst ones were Hercules and Rooster issues: they were never distributed except through the mint website. And there is a grey area as communication became less active about all their use as cash coinage.
For me Semeuse series coins (except €50+ as not free from a mint package) are the most eligible ones as circulating. Others are to be more clearly determined.
PS: for people ignoring the rule for unusual denominations, there are more special coins which were not made of silver in some countries (Portugal: €2.50, cupronickel ; Slovenia: €3, bimetallic ; Finland: €5, 2 different varieties of bimetallic coinage...) or in quite similar situations (German €10 silver coins...)
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