Evasion halfpenny ─ GEORGUIS III [opgelost]

Bericht: 30-jan-2021, 21:46 #

Hello all,

Here is an evasion halfpenny from the lot I posted in the "Additions to your collection" thread:

I don't have the books to identify it more precisely, and I'm surprised how little I found online searching for "GEORGUIS".

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Bericht: 31-jan-2021, 00:44 #

If you look at ( https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces13081.html ) you will find your Coin.
Good Luck.
Ian.

Bericht: 31-jan-2021, 01:47 #

Citeer: "Ian P"
If you look at ( https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces13081.html ) you will find your Coin.
Good Luck.
Ian.

I am not an expert but It's not the same coin.

Bericht: 31-jan-2021, 01:55 #
Gewijzigd: 31-jan-2021, 02:47

Citeer: "Ian P"
If you look at ( https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces13081.html ) you will find your Coin.
Good Luck.
Ian.

Hi Ian, Allexis is right. Maybe you gave me the wrong link?

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Bericht: 31-jan-2021, 07:09 #

Yes, not that coin. That was George 1st and the coin asked about is George 3rd -
with letters reversed as GEORGUIS III to evade copying - so-called 'evasion' coinage.
http://www.thecoppercorner.com/history/evasions_hist.html

Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins

Bericht: 31-jan-2021, 07:20 #

I thought I found it here ...
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/C_SSB-235-56
but it has different lettering >
GEORGUIS III RUX on obverse// BRITEN NET on reverse
whereas yours looks like it says BRITAN NIA on it.

Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins

Bericht: 31-jan-2021, 09:03 #

There are many varieties of Evasion halfpennies, we have some already listed on Numista here.
If you can't find it there, have a look at the list here.

Just because you can't see it ... doesn't mean it isn't there - Anon.

Former coin and banknote catalogue referee.

Bericht: 31-jan-2021, 11:27 #

Sorry your are right yes its George III not I Rick is correct please look at the links and you should find the the coin.
Ian.

Bericht: 31-jan-2021, 12:15 #

By process of elimination, since your bust is facing right, then yours can only by Atkins#239 with 'GEORGUIS III RUX' to the obverse and 'BRITAN NIA' to the reverse with 1771 in the exergue. I don't believe this type is currently listed on Numista.

Just because you can't see it ... doesn't mean it isn't there - Anon.

Former coin and banknote catalogue referee.

Bericht: 31-jan-2021, 15:54 #

I went to your link, Radrick, before seeing your last message and came to the same conclusion by the elimination process:

237. L. GEORGUIS III RUX / figure seated BRILLA NGE 1771
238. L. GEORGUIS III RUX / figure seated BRITAN NET 1771
239. R. GEORGUIS III RUX / figure seated BRITAN NIA 1771

There was a GEORGUIS in the catalogue but it was a mistake in the transcription and got it corrected last night.

Thank you all for your help!

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Bericht: 31-jan-2021, 16:20 #
Gewijzigd: 31-jan-2021, 16:26

And here is Atkin's Tradesmen Tokens, which I couldn't find by just typing the title, for some reason:

The tradesmen's tokens of the eighteenth century

Google tells me there's at least one GEORGUIS token in there, though I suppose it wouldn't be an evasion token.

EDIT: I found it: check page 390.

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