Both coins belonged to a collection of my grandfathers father, who run an import-export firm at the end of the XIX century, and travelled several times to China, Japan and the Philippines. His last trip to China and Japan was 1904 or 1905.
There are information here(use Google traduction)
Your tokens were probably cast on beginning of our century. There are on sale at Taobao, the main Chinese online shopping website.
Again a "but": at the beginning of "our century" means XXI century? Or do you mean at the beginning of the XX century?
That is my problem, because those coins (or whatever they are) are in the family since at least 1905, which was the year when my grandfather's father (I don´t know how to say arriere grand pere in english) made his last trip to China and Japan, thus beeing the last occasion to bring home something like it.
Sorry for my ignorance in this matters, I have no idea about chinese coins; I only want to know what this big pieces of bronce are and why they are lying in a beautiful wooden coin cabinet for about 115 years, passing through 3 generations!!
I will try the translator you recommend, I never used that before.
Best regards and many thanks again for your info and patience
Citeer: "christianvl"... those coins (or whatever they are) are in the family since at least 1905, which was the year when my grandfather's father (I don´t know how to say arriere grand pere in english) made his last trip to China and Japan, thus beeing the last occasion to bring home something like it.
It's a major information
For sure these types of coins sold on Taobao are not genuine and are XXIth century contemporary.
Back to the beginning of the XXth century, there were no international market for standard cash coins, so any cash coin purchased at this time should be genuine, but your coins are quite specific, large and buddha related, so we can't affirm they are genuine only by seing a picture.
Moreover they are in a so perfect state of conservation after a millenium that the doubt is possible.
Specialist would test the material content and compare to the matarial used a millienum ago. Another possibility is to send your coins to a certification organism.
Citeer: "Frenchlover "Moreover they are in a so perfect state of conservation after a millenium that the doubt is possible.
Specialist would test the material content and compare to the matarial used a millienum ago.
You mean a centennial ago. But when there are in the family that long and put away since, it's not surprising they're still in that perfect condition I guess.
Alloy don't seem to be the same and I do not see any trace of the lines of files for finition of this kind of coins/charms as we can see them on the links I sent before so I agree with Frenchlover's opinion
and Patina looks like it has been burried
made beetween 1875 and 1912
Citeer: "gros"Alloy don't seem to be the same and I do not see any trace of the lines of files for finition of this kind of coins/charms as we can see them on the links I sent before so I agree with Frenchlover's opinion
and Patina looks like it has been burried
made beetween 1875 and 1912
My mistake :
I confused charms issued during the reign of Zhou Yuan at the end of the 10th century with those, much larger, issued at the end of the Qing dynasty around 1900.
So your charm is quite authentic.
Thank you very much for the info, for the links and for the research!
The dating "between 1875 and 1912" or "around 1900" fits completely with the period of time during which my great-grandfather travelled to Asia; so the piece could have been bought as a kind of "souvenir" in one of his stays in China during that time (as far as I know, his first trip to Japan and/or China was in 1886)!
