Mainz pfennig 1769 - undescribed option? [opgelost]

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tell me which catalog this type of pfennig is described in - there is an ornament around the date

It's here on Numista: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces74720.html
But that one is indeed without the ornament.

No mentioning of varieties in Krause:

I looked at this option, there is no ornament around the date, so I created this theme
maybe there is a link to specialized catalogs, I will be grateful for a scanned copy

Probably KM# 374 (1769-1770)

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces200131.html
Obverse - E I
this is not on my coin, it definitely does not fit ...

Citeer: "Dejan"​Probably KM# 374 (1769-1770)

​It's definitely not KM# 374. That type is without the legend on the obverse:


It's KM# 374, but an undescribed (in Krause and Numista) variant.

Krause cannot cover the entire volume of coins of the German lands, so I only hope for a specialized Mainz catalog, if such exists. However, Krause has no analogues in terms of quantity and covered periods.

The coins of Erfurt/Mainz from 1756 to 1771 is on area that Krause and Schön have terrible coverage, but partially because there are a huge number of types.

A specialist book is Die Erfurter Münzprägung des Erzbistums Mainz von 1756 bis 1802 by Roland Gräßler. Information on the book can be found at https://gunterwalde.de/2013/ . The site has errata you can look at to get an idea about the book.

Gräßler goes into detail with minor differences (spacing of the dates). It would be nice to have a reference somewhere between Erfurt/Mainz and Gräßler which covers significant differences (like the ornamentation around the date in this case) but not the minutia. (But everyone has a slightly different definition of where to draw the line.)

Gräßler puts these coins under Erfurt (as does Schön). KM puts most of the types it has under Mainz.

The Schön of my previous message is identified as Schön DM in Numista. I just looked at the 2019 edition and there don't seem to be significant changes.

Here is a supplementary addendum for "Die Erfurter Münzprägung des Erzbistums Mainz von 1756 bis 1802 by Roland Gräßler": " https://gunterwalde.de/2013/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Erfurter-Mu%cc%88nzpra%cc%88gung_Erga%cc%88nzung-Mai2015.pdf
The 1 Pfennig 1769 and variants are on page 7, 24, 25 and 39. Unfortunately, no mentioning of the 1769 with the ornaments around the date. Maybe it's in the book itself.

In the book the 1769 1 Pfennig coins with ornamentation around the date and legends have Gräßler numbers 213.2, 213.3, 221, 222, 223, 224, and 224.1. (The major numbers are based solely on the Obverse.)

The current coin is Gräßler 213.2.

I looked through the Roland Gräßler book in electronic form and did not find an option with an ornament.
Bjherbison, thank you very much for the final identification, whether it is possible to make a scan or a photo of this number (Gräßler 213.2), thanks in advance.

I did not find this type of pfennig on the network, I want to understand how rare it is.

Where did you get the electronic form, and which book? He has two books, one for the entire history of Erfurt and one just 1756-1802. The PDFs on the web site are just new listings after the book was published.

Below are pictures of the listings for 213.2 and for the base type 213 for the full description of the Obverse. (From the listings you can see this reverse was paired with three obverses: 213, 221, and 224.)

Bjherbison, thank you very much for the photo.