Nurenberg Rechenpfennig - unknown year - Hainrich Forster as potential engraver - source missing [opgelost]

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Hi guys

New here (been sort of redirected/encouraged to come here from another forum by someone mentioning numista as a source) and equally as new to the world of forums.

Been having some free time recently and having decided to go through some of my collections I've come across a box that was the designated resting place for "hopeless" coins (I thought my missus threw it away, so I was fairly joyful when I saw that those coins still existed). So I decided to keep myself busy and go through the whole box and try to index them and source them as much as possible (either offline or preferably online). I haven't gotten far and stumbled across 3 pieces that I cannot identify or source (been trying to days now), hence my presence on the online communities. I hope I can find some help here and will be very grateful if I do

The first one is not even a proper coin but a rechenpfennig/jeton/counter money/token and also the reason why I got to know of this forum :)
I am fairly certain of what it is and who is it by, but I cannot find a source and the history behind it. Someone else suggested that on numista it was mentioned a certain engraver with some years attached to his work and I was wondering if someone could help point out a source for that

(apparently I am really bad photographer, so stay with me)

These are all the pictures that I have taken under different conditions and with different settings. I do not want to spam, just want to give the best observable conditions.


The text is a mess due to its condition, but what I can fairly certain make out is ?AINRICH.FORSTER? on the reverse with the imagery being the traditional trefoil and the imperial orb.

On the obverse the things get a bit trickier when it comes to the imagery but, as a guess from the letters I can distinguish, the text says GOTES SEGEN MACHT REICH

It weighs 0.81gr and measures 18.5mm and it looks to be made out of brass









any references and sources would be greatly appreciated
In our document ...
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://en.numista.com/numisdoc/les-jetons-de-nuremberg-171.html&prev=search&pto=aue
there is
Forster, Heinrich - first known token in 1630 - 1643
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
Status gewijzigd naar Opgelost (bw_101, 1-mar-2021, 18:50)
oh, that's awesome!
Thanks

would have never thought of searching for it in French (I kept trying in German, but I do not speak the language so it ended up being a very unfruitful experience)
Even though that says Heinrich I think the token has an A letter -
and the end is IN N letters.
HAINRICH FORSTER IN N
Heinrich Forster in Nuremberg
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
yes, it is definitely an A
but that was fairly normal back in the days apparently and it went on as far as having a certain Hainrich Him (not going to spell his full name) spell his name with an A

I am still curious what is the imagery on the obverse though
looks fairly weird
Citeer: "bw_101"​I am still curious what is the imagery on the obverse though
​looks fairly weird
If the image is rotated so the lettering starts at the top, then to me it looks
like a draped portrait facing right and with curly hair.
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins

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