Ancient silver drachm of king Lysimach

Hello! Dear colleagues,please tell me the possible numismatic/collectable market value & rarity of this ancient silver drachm of king Lysimach of Macedoine/Thracia.

I have some piece of information that the coin is much scarcer than the silver tetradrachm of the same king.

My coin seems to be AUNC. as preservation grade, has a diameter of 18mm. & a weight of 3.58g.   

Hello and wishes health.

    There is a clear answer to part of the question.

The market price is determined by the "market"

Rarity is another dimension. 

Question:

This type was sometimes used in an auction house?

I mean this star sign

or such a corner

I didn't find her here:

https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/thrace/kings/lysimachos/t.html

they did not find other patterns:

That preservation is fascinating.

So the question of rarity cannot be found for me, but if there is nothing or only a few, the answer is clear.

Ivan

Dear Mimael,thanks for your message but I didn't understand well if your question about the design of the Amon's corn & that sign(is it a turtle?,letter of attélier? anyway) is for me or for the other members who will see my post… I PURCHASED THIS COIN ABOUT 35 YEARS AGO FROM AN OLD ROMANIAN COLLECTOR. So,there are 0% chanses for this coin to have been in an auction house in the past 80 years.

Seems fake to me…

AndiPasculescu10

I PURCHASED THIS COIN ABOUT 35 YEARS AGO FROM AN OLD ROMANIAN COLLECTOR. So,there are 0% chanses for this coin to have been in an auction house in the past 80 years.

Hi ,, AndiPasculescu10 ,,

And it is this statement that is clear. 

 I won't get entangled in the thrown net - you know the answer.

Have a nice day.

Ivan

Quant-Geek,yes,I understand very well: ALL THE BEAUTIFUL OR EXCEPTIONEL COINS (SELDOM SEEN) ARE FAKES!!! And only GARBAGE COINS ARE NOT! PERFECT COLLECTABLE GENUINE COINS!!!

I wish you good luck collecting!

Dear Mimael,thank you for your time,interest shown,help & correct position!

I also wish you,Ivan,a fine day!

AndiPasculescu10

Dear Mimael,thank you for your time,interest shown,help & correct position!

I also wish you,Ivan,a fine day!

AndiPasculescu10 

Oh yeah, I'm not in the right position.

The claim that a similar coin had not been auctioned for 80 years and that the collector had it , -so I just expected the collector to be a sailor or a doctor in foreign lands.

And now you own a shop - "pawnshop"? Or antique-redemption trade?

Tomorrow I will deposit the coins of Greece, Rome gradually I will never ask about the price and rarity and here are witnesses that I never did it.

What is rare? Gold? silver? 

,,in my opinion, it is the history, the size of the minting and the intention of the ruler in connection with the satisfaction of the people,,

Ivan

Dear Ivan,I am sorry but I didn't understand well the meaning of your last message…

But if you asked me if I have a pawn shop or else,you must know that I am not a merchant or dealer but a simple coin collector,who loves also history,but who wants also to know what he has in his collection! (not for trade but for knowledge).

Also,I told you that MY COIN(not a similar one) was not for sure in an auction in,at least,the past 80 years.

Do you have a more in-focus picture of the reverse?

I was looking through Ivan's link he provided and I see that your coin lacks a lot of the details seen in the others.  Perhaps it is an early version?

It is a curious and beautiful piece for sure 😀

Thank you,dear Slipstreamed,for your right calificative for my coin which many collectors admired during the years (here in my country)! But which seems to others an ugly FAKE (as you may see above!)…

By the way,I sent you the photos + text (the pattern banknote) for the NUMISTA catalogue. Have you received them?

AndiPasculescu10

I am not a merchant or dealer but a simple coin collector,who loves also history,but who wants also to know what he has in his collection! 

So sorry, I was wondering.

It was for something I have already experienced and seen. It was ,, déjà vu,, is the exact designation.

In Prague in the historic center shortly after our revolution after 1990. An antique dealer who had a pawn shop lived in the passage-An antique dealer who had a pawn shop lived in the passage.

People and groups of sellers quickly wanted to pay money for coins and other items which they brought to the pledge. And they always told him such fairy tales.

The funniest thing he told me was the story -when at three in the morning the two gentlemen wanted to sell the grandmother's jewelry.

,, They all wore a shoelace with a price tag and a mark of the purity of jewelry or carats on stones,,

And he listened to it all his life and believe me he liked and also liked to pay 20 percent and he also almost burned too many times for gold the price of gold, for silver the price of silver and everything for half the price.

And that's why I had at your place ,,de javú- after ours,,  He's the acid you recommended somewhere -and he probably still had it in his pants , still used.

That explains and is different. I appreciate people who are also interested in history and not just shiny circus coins.

Ivan

AndiPasculescu10

Thank you,dear Slipstreamed,for your right calificative for my coin which many collectors admired during the years (here in my country)! But which seems to others an ugly FAKE (as you may see above!)…

By the way,I sent you the photos + text (the pattern banknote) for the NUMISTA catalogue. Have you received them?

Yes, and created an entry for the note.  Now the waiting game for it to be approved.

Who has to aprouve the new entries & on which criteria? How much this operation takes in time?

I'm not sure on the specific person, but I do know these can take a few weeks to become approved.  I'll let you know any updates :)

AndiPasculescu10

Quant-Geek,yes,I understand very well: ALL THE BEAUTIFUL OR EXCEPTIONEL COINS (SELDOM SEEN) ARE FAKES!!! And only GARBAGE COINS ARE NOT! PERFECT COLLECTABLE GENUINE COINS!!!

I wish you good luck collecting!

🤣 I have seen far more beautiful and more costly coins than this in my lifetime, so its not the condition that makes me think its fake.  Anyway, good luck…

For all of you,my friends,NEW & MACRO PHOTOS for better views. 

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Have a nice day and without stress.

Now I'm convinced. For the star I apologize distorted the slope of the photo, this is a different brand.

I cast metal into coin molds at home in the backyard, the underside is OK but after tapping on the anvil, the planchet coin is uneven.

Because I knock the coin's own punch by hand and not by a high-pressure press-it is necessary to grind the plate flat, just balance the body. Only then can I achieve a better embossing result. And even if I do it on a belt sander, it is not always perfect and the stamp on the part of the region will leave the lower body in its original state where the sanding belts are extruded.

That's why I say it's done at home on a knee and a cut body made of cast silver metal.

It is hand-punched with a stamp made according to the original coin on the grounds that grinding is manual without a machine grinding machine and a fine cloth dimants, it may be the older date of the 19th century -beginnings 20.

This is not a casting metal in the Greek Mint.

Right at the beginning, I only considered "lips" to be more of a Celtic job - Fight. But the Celts didn't know it beautifully, and they only did "Alexandra," this type. They did not imitate these posthumous  coin.

I'm sorry - I'm just expressing my opinion. I'm a human being-and I am often wrong, especially in politics. 

Just such a supplement: last year, a pair of young men were caught by the police 100 km from my home abroad,, city ​​of Trenčín to SVK,,

at home they minted Celtic coins with their own stamp, which they had made-the coins were completely authentic and only analysis and instruments proved counterfeit.

My colleague is my opinion that only in these cases is the encapsulation of the coin logical direction. The price of the coin is definitely worth an assessment. only then will he have what you asked for ,, value and rarity,,

Just my opinion-I will not continue closed for me.

Ivan