2022 Peterson Dollars

Why are the  Canada Peterson coins split in 5 different groups? They are all the same coins except that one comes in a  "special wrap" another in a special “keepsake card”. Who cares?  In total 975000 coins were minted. (and none in proof)

We are not here to promote the mint. If every coin of every country gets treated this way you will have millions of extra lines.

Hope this gets normalized.

Thanks,

Ben

It really has gone beyond the point of absurity hasn't it?  Keepsake card, keepsake collection, special wrap roll collection, special wrap roll set, colorized.  2 pages.  All for coins intended for circulation.

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Canada comes close but they're nowhere Australia. 4 BU's, 3 Proofs and 1 Circulation:  N#175049

Now take them out of their set and you've magically created a new line.

Can't wait until they ship them in different color wrappers. Presto, a new variety! Or would that require a new line request? I'm confused.

Thanks Ioruca for condensing these coins into one line.

Problem solved!

I remember that the Australians said, but that's how we collect, so allow us to do it our way. 

I had complained about the amount of lines in the comments section to show all of those “varieties”, so the powers of numista introduced the “See more” and everything was fine… until now!

As such we all have different ways to collect, so let it be, I don't care, with the “See more” I don't have to be bothered with all the colors of the different editions of the same coins in different sets with different names.

The problem is that the amount of different year lines for the same year makes it difficult for “normal” people to point their coin in the proper line!

rsirian1

Canada comes close but they're nowhere Australia. 4 BU's, 3 Proofs and 1 Circulation:  N#175049

 

Is there a difference in the coins themelves?  Or is the difference just in how the coin is packaged?

BMPJ

Why are the  Canada Peterson coins split in 5 different groups? They are all the same coins except that one comes in a  "special wrap" another in a special “keepsake card”. Who cares?  In total 975000 coins were minted. (and none in proof)

We are not here to promote the mint. If every coin of every country gets treated this way you will have millions of extra lines.

 

Hope this gets normalized.

Thanks,

Ben

Some people are complaining and some like it because they can enter in their Numista inventory the exact item they have been collecting. I don't think we will never please everyone here on this topic. I don't think this will cause any prejudice to anyone to leave it like it is.

I will continue to approuve these requests, even if it's more work for me, as long as members continue to submit them.

Best regards,

P.S. Looking at the number of members so far who did add these Rolls and Cards in their inventory, it seems like some are happy to do so. 

One specific problem with multiple lines for the same coins is the following:

You start a swap and you specify that you only want coins that you do not have.

Invariably some people will show that they have one of the other lines. So now you have to go over every item to see if you really do not have that coin. It creates a lot of extra work. 

There are two ways around this. Identify that you do not want this coin or stop collecting coins after 2021 when this problem starts.

I think that members should vote on what should be the rule. 

There has to be a physical reason (a variety, proof coin etc.) that would allow a multiple line. Not the packaging of the coin.

Since I don't collect “packaged” coins, I don't have a problem, but I see the point the multiplied year lines bring. Anyway, a year with several year lines always brings problems in a swap, since you don't know, if your partner has really allocated the proper year line (variant) of his coin. For type collectors the proper year line is irrelevant fact we cannot change!

karrlot

rsirian1

Canada comes close but they're nowhere Australia. 4 BU's, 3 Proofs and 1 Circulation:  N#175049

 

Is there a difference in the coins themelves?  Or is the difference just in how the coin is packaged?

Just the packaging.  

I think the true travesty here is that the Mint uses a frosted plastic capsule in the keepsake cards which hides the actual condition of the coin. You would think for the premium paid you'd have the finest examples, but no. I found much better pieces in the roll.

End of tangent.

So what happened to the line if you got the coin in your change? I don't know what type of roll it came in. I have a plain and a colourized version. Not in a roll and not in a set.

ThePoet

So what happened to the line if you got the coin in your change? I don't know what type of roll it came in. I have a plain and a colourized version. Not in a roll and not in a set.

I think someone will have to put in a change request to add another line for individual coins. 🤭

BMPJ

Why are the  Canada Peterson coins split in 5 different groups? They are all the same coins except that one comes in a  "special wrap" another in a special “keepsake card”. Who cares?  In total 975000 coins were minted. (and none in proof)

We are not here to promote the mint. If every coin of every country gets treated this way you will have millions of extra lines.

 

Hope this gets normalized.

Thanks,

Ben

Some people are collecting Special wrap roll or Keepsake card. Numista will not prevent them from entering these in their inventory.

Again, looking at the number of members so far who did add these Rolls and Cards in their inventory, it seems like some are happy to do so. 

BMPJ

Why are the  Canada Peterson coins split in 5 different groups? They are all the same coins except that one comes in a  "special wrap" another in a special “keepsake card”. Who cares?  In total 975000 coins were minted. (and none in proof)

We are not here to promote the mint. If every coin of every country gets treated this way you will have millions of extra lines.

 

Hope this gets normalized.

Thanks,

Ben

I agree with where Ben is coming from. Essentially we are looking at the same coin, packaged differently. If a collector wishes to differentiate then they could note this in the comments. Thanks Tel 

tel721

BMPJ

Why are the  Canada Peterson coins split in 5 different groups? They are all the same coins except that one comes in a  "special wrap" another in a special “keepsake card”. Who cares?  In total 975000 coins were minted. (and none in proof)

We are not here to promote the mint. If every coin of every country gets treated this way you will have millions of extra lines.

 

Hope this gets normalized.

Thanks,

Ben

I agree with where Ben is coming from. Essentially we are looking at the same coin, packaged differently. If a collector wishes to differentiate then they could note this in the comments. Thanks Tel 

Collectors of Special Wrap Roll and Keepsake Cards exist and are here to stay. They are happy to enter these in their inventory and I'm happy to help them do so. This way they will be be able to swap and inventory their treasures like anyone else here. 

We will have to adapt to the new collectors ways of collecting or go play dinosaur.

My request would be simple as this.

ALLWAYS put the normal circulating as the first line in any year. This would be a challenge for Xavier because of the sorting, but that can be overcome with a bit of intellectual thinking, like setting up a NIL (binary zero, the lowest character possible) in the text before “Circulating”?

Québécois

Collectors of Special Wrap Roll and Keepsake Cards exist and are here to stay. 
We will have to adapt to the new collectors ways of collecting or go play dinosaur.

Point taken but, why does Numista have to cater to these “collectors”?  Full kudos to you for entering these into the database.

But, I collect “circulating” coins and these aren't them, no matter what the marketing genius's say.

I don't mind being a woolly mammoth.

Peter M. Graham

Québécois

Collectors of Special Wrap Roll and Keepsake Cards exist and are here to stay. 
We will have to adapt to the new collectors ways of collecting or go play dinosaur.

Point taken but, why does Numista have to cater to these “collectors”?  Full kudos to you for entering these into the database.

 

But, I collect “circulating” coins and these aren't them, no matter what the marketing genius's say.

 

I don't mind being a woolly mammoth.

Fully agree, so let's get the circulation coins up front, so that non-national collectors can see, what they have in front of them after an exchange?

There's quite an easy way out:

Since all those “wrapped” coins are NCLT, make an alltogether separate entry for them, with as many year-lines as you wish and keep the circulating ones as basic “normal” circulating coins.

That's why we have the “non-circulating” section in the catalogue! 

Those special wrapped coins are still circulation coins, though. There is no difference in the coin itself.

coin_goblin

Those special wrapped coins are still circulation coins, though. There is no difference in the coin itself.

Indeed if an otherwise circulating coin was available only in a set that's what the comment “in set only” is for (often misused in the catalog) but here we are essentially cataloging cardboard and plastic, not coins at this point. There are probably cardboard and plastic wrapper collector sites on the internet, Numista should not be one of them.

I feel, it's a lost battle… but I don't like it at all, it's messy!

 Well, it is like this, You can never please everyone, but you can piss everyone off.  I think the coin page should be like Germany in the catalog. To see the rest open sub-section. The first part would only be circulating coins, open sub-section you can find proofs, varieties, rolls, and what ever. But not should how or if that can work. 

coin_goblin

Those special wrapped coins are still circulation coins, though. There is no difference in the coin itself.

Not exactly: you cannot buy them at face value, making them exactly the NCLT! 

Dejan

 

Not exactly: you cannot buy them at face value, making them exactly the NCLT! 

The coin can be acquired at face value at banks or in circulation. Does the wrapping change the nature of the coin? I see it as a premium paid to sure a number of uncirculated coins. Once out of the wrapping the is absolutely no difference.

I got mine as individual coins, but they were taken from the rolls, so I used the rolls year line. I do agree some coins got a lot of variety but it doesn't bother me.  

Having a line for “wrapped” coins is saying its the equivalent of an uncut bank notes sheet - it is not.

The coins are of the same variety, from the same strike, and users can indicate that they own 25x in an uncirculated roll in the comments. 

To me, the worst part is judging how rare my coin is (I thought it was one of 2,000,000, when in fact, 3,000,000 coins were struck).

I have the yellow wrapping, so my coin is worth more than your blue or pink wraps? How far can we get? And what about my official proof coin, who can beat that?

Just a little rant!!! and i will most likely get roasted

What is wrong with RCM (canadian mint). The  Oscar Peterson issue of 1922 involved 11 varieties of circulating coins( Hic)

Consisting of

6 varieties of colored coins

and 5 of the non-colored types- making a massive  11 different coins for the one issue

I do not believe that all 11 will circulate, and reckon it is a revenue- grabbing gimic by RMC

Third world countries do this often as a means of creating income, (( like NZ,s neighbours Cook islands , Niue etc)but not major nations like Canada- it is uncalled for and a real mission for collectors to achieve all issued coins

How many varieties will circulate , is difficult to say, but i would dare to say that perhaps 1 colored and one standard if you are lucky could be found in change

And before i finish rant it must be stated that our nation of New Zealand, have produced 2 circulating coins in the last 70 years and funny enough  both were colored and produced by RCM in Canada

Very rarely seen in change these days, and only available by purchasing direct from our collection center

Rant over  !!!!

If it is OK to have a line for a coin based on the packaging, it seems short sighted to not just have mint and proof sets listed as well.

I think if a coin was issued in unc and proof that should be the two lines in the listing.  Of course add lines for mintmarks etc…but it's just junky to list every iteration of packaging.  This is a coin catalog not a packaging catalog.

Not to mention also these specially packed first/last day coin and last day roll (Like they do for the stamp collectors):

https://www.mint.ca/en/shop/coins/pre-2010/25-cents---official-first-day-poppy-coin-2004

https://www.mint.ca/en/shop/coins/2010/official-first-day-lucky-loonie-2010

and

https://www.mint.ca/en/shop/coins/2012/special-wrap-roll---1-cent-coins-2012

Best regards,

P.S. To reassure everyone, it seems like the RCM decided to stop packaging, after 6 years (2004-2010), First day and Last day packaging due to lack of interest from the coin collectors. If I look at the Numista numbers, about 38% of collectors for the colored Peterson Dollar have entered in their inventory a special wrapped roll and 9% for the keepsake card. I wonder if those cards will be sold for more then 6 years. But looking at other coins sales, the special wrap rolls seem to be here to stay due to the collector's interest.