Republic Zaire

Hello all,

As a new member here i am adding my bancnotes to the system. 

I notice that the Republic Zaire (oct ‘71 - may ’97) is placed as Congo. That is not correct.

Can you change it to seperate countries (like Yugoslavia)?

If not, then i think Zaire has te be it's own issuer at least.

By the way; loving the catalog and collection statistics. And i really miss the pics of the signatues. 

Welcome to numista :)

For the purposes of numista, I think this falls into a similar category as Zimbabwe / Rhodesia. Same country, two names.

Zaire was Mobutu's renaming of the country after his seizure of power - in a nutshell, these things are always more complex than a single statement. However, for the our purposes, I would consider the current placing of Zaire as correct, especially as the country name change was reversed after Mobutu was ousted.

The dropdown menu of ruling authorities under Congo already lists the Mobutu period as a separate ruling authority. 
The 'Zaire Republic' is also already listed as a separate heading.

Some basic data needs to be entered for the Congo sections. Looks like there is no referee for Congo at present, so making changes may be slow. 
Still, numista flourishes when members with knowledge of countries share their knowledge, and make necessary edits, I think you could make changes and add better pics.

Zaire is now the Democratic Republic of the Congo - or Congo (Kinshasa).

There is also the Republic of Congo - or Congo (Brazzaville).

Aidan.

HenkStigter

Hello all,

 

As a new member here i am adding my bancnotes to the system. 

 

I notice that the Republic Zaire (oct ‘71 - may ’97) is placed as Congo. That is not correct.

 

Can you change it to seperate countries (like Yugoslavia)?

 

If not, then i think Zaire has te be it's own issuer at least.

 

By the way; loving the catalog and collection statistics. And i really miss the pics of the signatues. 

Totally agree with you, for me it is clearly an error that Numista persists in maintaining. Numismatically speaking, it does not make sense to group Zaire banknotes with the title "Congo, Democratic Republic of the". 

These banknotes should be under the issuer Zaire, within the country Democratic Republic of Congo. If you look at the banknote it says Zaire, not Democratic Republic of Congo. I do not understand and will not understand this criterion, no matter how much you want to give it a geographical or historical explanation, that banknote is still from Zaire.

This problem isn't going away, despite the clear hopes of the admins. Sooner or later the accurate names are going to have to be restored.

There is already a clear division. It's not because a dictator decides to change the name of his county (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo#Zaire_(1965%E2%80%931997)) that new issuers need to be added. A country can have different ruling authorities/periods, we don't start splitting Romania because it went from kingdom to people's republic and then to republic.

There is however some stuff that can be cleaned up in Congowith both Mobutu and Republic named as period ..

Zaire is clearly marked as a separate period in the catalogue and can be easily found in searches:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/ruler.php?id=5165

The OP refered to Yugoslavia … it is a similar case with different periods under one name:

You're missing the point. Changing from Kingdom to Republic is very different from changing the name of a country. Look at the list of countries. Zaire is missing. That's what needs fixing (along with all the other missing countries).

ceh2019

You're missing the point. Changing from Kingdom to Republic is very different from changing the name of a country. Look at the list of countries. Zaire is missing. That's what needs fixing (along with all the other missing countries).

A good point about the list of countries. I agree that Zaire should appear in the list of countries as a sub element similar to, for example, how ‘Netherlands East Indies’ appears under ‘Indonesia’. Zaire should be a visible searchable term on the List of Countries.

From my understanding,  the goal is to allow users see continuity in country's coinage, when we consider country is the same despite a changed name.

What you say is that you prefer splitting the catalog, right? Even if it is the same country? Would create a precedent for a series of other dictators who changed countries' names these past decades…