If the diameter and weight are what they are supposed to be I would say it is real. It looks real to me, I would be suprised if it isn't real. Canadian coins are not faked very often, I have never seen fake Canadian coins. It is worth roughly $60 in VG condition. http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/WorldCoinPrices.aspx?category=141&worldcoinid=702
Although at my local coin shop they sell for $85 in VG and $40 for a G.
If the diameter and weight are what they are supposed to be I would say it is real. It looks real to me, I would be suprised if it isn't real. Canadian coins are not faked very often, I have never seen fake Canadian coins. It is worth roughly $60 in VG condition. http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/WorldCoinPrices.aspx?category=141&worldcoinid=702
Although at my local coin shop they sell for $85 in VG and $40 for a G.
Regards
Sweet! Would you say the coin above is VG? I'm a total newbie when it comes to grading, I hope to learn someday.
If the diameter and weight are what they are supposed to be I would say it is real. It looks real to me, I would be suprised if it isn't real. Canadian coins are not faked very often, I have never seen fake Canadian coins. It is worth roughly $60 in VG condition. http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/WorldCoinPrices.aspx?category=141&worldcoinid=702
Although at my local coin shop they sell for $85 in VG and $40 for a G.
Regards
Sweet! Would you say the coin above is VG? I'm a total newbie when it comes to grading, I hope to learn someday.
Hello,
I am a newbie at grading coin too, I don't grade my coins for my personal collection. As long as they are in decent shape, it doesn't matter. I would say it is between VG and F, my guess from looking at the picture.
Judging from the other coins in the lot, I'd say you were good on the 50 cent piece. Nice one!
Agree with SmartOneKg on the Barber dime...the face...and In God We Trust...something fishy, I think.
Grading for the 50 cent VG at best, I'd say.
Great find! I haven't ever heard of that Canadian coin being faked, and it looks real. Canadian Victorian silver is great because it always sells at around catalog value which is $85 for a VG.
The 50 cents isn't setting off any alarm bells but those rims on the Barber Quarter, like young KG said, they look strange.
I have a few in my own collection with a similar look, which are 100% genuine, but none of them have rims flattened to such a degree. If it checks out OK in terms of weight and dimensions I would use Google images to search for other coins from the same year, if they were produced with a high profile rim then of course it would wear first.
Assuming all is legit, that's a nice group of coins. Congratulations!
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
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I'm very confused now. I asked someone who seemed trustworthy where to get the best deal for the Canadian half dollar above and this is the reply I got.
CiteerHi,
I afraid that the coin in this condition is only worth about 23 USD since it is in AG condition (worn), the 25 cent from the USA in that condition is considered 'junk' silver and sells for about 5.7 USD.
I can offer you 4 euro on the USA Barber quarter (25 cents) since I hoard junk silver coins as an investment. But that coin is not worth anything as a collectors piece.
The best place to sell that Canadian coin would be on eBay, but I doubt you can get more than 25 USD.
I know there's a policy against posting PM's but there is nothing here to identify who wrote it. I will also not disclose who did.
What are your thoughts?
Pshh that's ridiculous! Don't know about the Barber, but the 1900 half dollar looks to be definitely in VG for me and as I said, it is worth $85 in that condition.
I would pay you $50 right now (maybe even higher) for it, $65-75 if I were particularly searching for it.
it seems that you are dealing with some dishonest people.
I don't think it's at all a dishonest offer. It's supported by actual valuations and market prices. I would disagree with the G grade for the 50 cents but in terms of the coin's value he is right, at lower grades a coins value is almost entirely dependent on it's metal content.
I bought 3 similar Victorian 50 cents for under $60, one I swapped long ago, one is in my collection and one is in my junk silver bucket.
What he is offering is about what I would be looking to pay for these coins, perhaps a little more for the Barber Quarter as it is too good to be classed as a junk coin.
Having said that, I wouldn't sell for those prices. I don't sell coins anyway so it's largely academic but if I had to then I would look for a significant premium over junk metal prices as my junk silver is seperate from my coin collection.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
I'm not sure what to think, he has seemed a very decent guy but this has me really confused. Maybe he just has a high standard of grading, I don't know.
He may be right. I don't collect coins in grades below F so I've never really acquired the eye for the "junk grades". As it very rarely has the same impact on value as the difference between VF and EF would, I never given it much attention. If someone is so uptight as to want to argue about a 10 cent price difference then it's probably not someone I need to be around.
As long is the grading is consistent it's all good. It becomes a problem when someone undergrades your coins and overgrades his own, e.g. a VG becomes G when buying but changes into F when selling.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Yeah I'm pretty inexperienced grading Victorians, but Krause defines a Victorian VG as:
"Hair covering ear and diadem, and moving back to the knot have no detail: they are worn away. The diadem shows considerable wear with only vague outlines of the top jewels. Eyebrow and facial features are worn."
Citeer: eminemYeah I'm pretty inexperienced grading Victorians, but Krause defines a Victorian VG as:
"Hair covering ear and diadem, and moving back to the knot have no detail: they are worn away. The diadem shows considerable wear with only vague outlines of the top jewels. Eyebrow and facial features are worn."
That is what Hagglund's coin looks like to me.
Where do you find this kind of information? Only in the paper catalogue? I really would love to see descriptions like these so that I can at some point learn to grade my own coins.
Oh and regarding the PM I got, I'm still confused, but I think it mostly missunderstanding and different ways to grade.
Citeer: eminemYeah I'm pretty inexperienced grading Victorians, but Krause defines a Victorian VG as:
"Hair covering ear and diadem, and moving back to the knot have no detail: they are worn away. The diadem shows considerable wear with only vague outlines of the top jewels. Eyebrow and facial features are worn."
That is what Hagglund's coin looks like to me.
Me too.
Look on the bright side, you and I collect coins where it is at least possible to make an educated guess and arrive in roughly the same ballpark.
Can you imagine collecting those Scandanaviian coins where the design is incised into the coin, where would you even begin to grade those when a coin could circulate for 50 years and the design remains almost pristine? Or how about those zinc coins collected by your fellow Canadian? They wear, they corrode, they attract foreign residues, they bubble, crack, powder, granulate and because the metal is so poor there are huge differences in strike quality. It's not uncommon to find VF and VG details on the same side of the same coin.
The potential for a disagreement is huge, fortunately I swap mine with my dear Jakub who is mostly sane and free from drama.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Citeer: hagglundWhere do you find this kind of information? Only in the paper catalogue? I really would love to see descriptions like these so that I can at some point learn to grade my own coins.
They are from the Charlton standard catalogue of Canadian coins. I could try to scan the pages for you (probably on the weekend). It has descriptions for every grade of every monarch.
And Phil, I completely agree; one of the reasons why I love collecting the old silver is because the grading is relatively simple/universal to determine. I have no clue how to grade modern stuff, aluminum or zinc, and even nickel is tricky
I might have overshot the grade but I can guarantee that I woud never scam a fellow Numista member (nor anyone for that matter). I buy silver junk coins from Florida all the time, and when I do I've gotten countless "junk" Barbers (under VG) in that grade. That's why I offered him the silver price and showed him the fair market price for both coins. I might have to ease my grading since I've been very strict, but this goes both ways; I might buy for cheap because I'm a harsh grader - but I also sell at the grade I gave the coin. But it's all cleared up now.
As you know, sometimes the price given sounds like someone is trying to rip you off. But in reality it's just the book (or website) they go by that gives the current market price.
Regards,
Daniele Barbagallo
aka coinsnnotes
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Citeer: coinsnnotes2011Gentlemen, I was the one who messaged him that.
I might have overshot the grade but I can guarantee that I woud never scam a fellow Numista member (nor anyone for that matter). I buy silver junk coins from Florida all the time, and when I do I've gotten countless "junk" Barbers (under VG) in that grade. That's why I offered him the silver price and showed him the fair market price for both coins. I might have to ease my grading since I've been very strict, but this goes both ways; I might buy for cheap beacuse I'm a harsh grader but I also sell at the grade I gave the coin. But it's all cleared up now.
As you know, sometimes the price given sounds like someone is trying to rip you off. But in reality it's just the book (or website) they go by that gives the current market price.
Eminem, do not worry; Numista members are on edge from all the scams going on. And it's like everyone is ready to shoot and kill at the smallest possible doubt. And let me tell you I'm working on something that will curb this crap on here and on other sites. Just you wait.
Besides we are in the middle of our little swap. I sent you a PM with a special surprise for you in response to your recent PM.
-Daniel
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Yeah we cleared things up and all is good now. I feel bad for posting the PM now but it had me so confused for a while I just needed to hear with you guys what to do. The truth is had this happened a few days ago I wouldn't have reacted the same way, I think you all know why :-/
I'm not sure how you could ever grade the Canadian coin at AG and the Barber at junk silver. The Barber quarter looks in way better condition than the Canadian coin. If anything it would be the other way around.
Early Canadian issues were pretty scarce as there wasn't such a demand, making lower grades just as desirable as higher grades, and some were recalled and melted to produce new ones. I have an example of every George V silver piece except the 1936 dollar which I am negotiating one of, and a 1920-36 50c .800 type (three varieties of KGV exist - 1911 without DEI:GRA, .925 with DEI:GRA, and 1920-36 .800).
