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I want to add some banknotes to Norway, but the currency they belong under is missing.

Untill their independence from Denmark, Norway used the same currency as Denmark. We miss the (Danish) Rigdsaler Courant for Norway. I'm not entirely sure from which date to begin them. but I'm pretty sure they should end by the desolution of Denmark-Norway in 1814.

 

Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_rigsdaler

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark%E2%80%93Norway

http://www.banknote.ws/COLLECTION/countries/EUR/NOR/NOR-OLD.htm#REGJERINGS

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Currently, we have:

 

Rigsdaler specie (1746-1814)

 

Rigsbankdaler (1813-1816)

96 Rigsdaler courant • 120 Skilling = 1 Rigsdaler specie

 

Speciedaler (1816-1875)

120 Skilling = 1 Speciedaler

 

The middle one is for two coins struck in Norway which were also made in Denmark, so I think we can ignore that one, except to fix the description of the subdivisions. Since coins such as this one were denominated in both Rigsdaler Specie and Rigsdaler Courant, I'd suggest changing the first currency to

 

Rigsdaler specie (1746-1816)

96 Skilling = 1 Rigsdaler Courant • 120 Skilling = 1 Rigsdaler Specie

 

If we can find a start date for the split between courant and specie, all the better.

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Assuming they used the same currency as Denmark, there were no split between these currencies, they were seperate currencies, which circulated alongside each other at different exchangeable values.

 

Here are the Danish Currencies:

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Looking a bit longer at it, I also think it's wrong to write 

 

Rigsbankdaler (1813-1816)

96 Rigsdaler courant • 120 Skilling = 1 Rigsdaler specie

 

It should at least be “96 Skilling (Courant) = 1 Rigdaler Courant”

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Jamtrup

Assuming they used the same currency as Denmark, there were no split between these currencies, they were seperate currencies, which circulated alongside each other at different exchangeable values.

The rigsdaler coins of both were the same but not the subdivisions, especially after 1813 when Denmark completely revised its currency. The Danish Rigsdaler courant (1628-1873) is used for one coin and notes up to 1809, so that needs a rethink anyway. Your're right that Rigsbankdaler (1813-1816) needs better explanation. I'd also suggest putting in comments to the individual coins about why they're listed in Norway as well as Denmark.

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Jamtrup

Assuming they used the same currency as Denmark, there were no split between these currencies, they were seperate currencies, which circulated alongside each other at different exchangeable values.

 

Here are the Danish Currencies:

So, is the solution to attach the Denmark Rigsdaler Courant also to Norway, but with an end date 1814?

 

Looking at the first post and the Wikipedia article, it suggests the first baknotes were issued in 1690s, so if we have Denmark Rigsdaler Courant (1628-1814) it seems this wouldl cover the needed range.

Status gewijzigd naar Geopend (tdziemia, 3-nov-2023, 15:22)

Bump?

(Missed the response to this, somehow)

 

I think that's a solution, but since there are also some coins which are courant, maybe@T0r will like to weigh in?

 

This one for instance:

N#97335

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This is going to be a mess no matter how it is handled, to be honest. I suppose the most correct would be to introduce Rigsdaler Courant as a separate currency from Rigsdaler specie, then have them overlap. There’s not really any way around it as strictly speaking a Speciedaler is not the same as a Courantdaler. 

Best regards,
Tor

I know some coins belong in both currencies. But the coin section, will it be more messy since some currencies overlap, like in Denmark? It would make sense since it was the Danish system at the time, with one currency for trade and one for daily life, more or less

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You had started on this @tdziemia ?

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Rigsdaler courant is now added for Norway (end date 1814).

Status gewijzigd naar klaar (Compendium, 14-mar-2024, 14:27)

tdziemia

Rigsdaler courant is now added for Norway (end date 1814).

I think it should be called “Rigsdaler courant” not “Danish rigsdaler courant”. Otherwise we would also need to use “Danish rigsdaler specie” to be consistent, and that's not a term anyone uses within Norwegian numismatics. 

Best regards,
Tor

Thank you!  This correction has been made.

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