5 korona 1907 k.b.

Hello. Recently I got an offer for this 5 korona 1907 k.b. for 196 USD. (see the picture appendix). My questions are - Has the coin been cleaned? What about the grade and price? Sorry for my maybe stupin questions. I am an amateur, grateful for every help. Beginnings are the beginnings :-))

N#15759

Difficult.is a restrike or original?grade is Fine+.price for a original in this condition i think 40-70€.maybe other collectors can say you more..

Doesn't look like that much wear to be honest, I see some on the high points but it has very many contact marks. I would put it at as good VF in my books it seems these coins had issues with the minting if you look at all these low detail coins that are sold by reputable auction houses (so probably no fakes).

It has also way more details then the one on the Heritage pictures on the page on the reverse. If these were your pictures I would ask you to replace the current ones with those.

Doesn't look cleaned, at least not recently. As for grade I'd put it at a high F or an average VF. The price was a bit too high in my opinion. I have the same coin in about the same condition and I paid around 50 euro for it in 2018 or 2019. Prices have gone up since but not that much. A fair price for it would be in my opinion 70 to 80 euro.

cro321

Doesn't look cleaned, at least not recently. As for grade I'd put it at a high F or an average VF. The price was a bit too high in my opinion. I have the same coin in about the same condition and I paid around 50 euro for it in 2018 or 2019. Prices have gone up since but not that much. A fair price for it would be in my opinion 70 to 80 euro.

80 euro? I have seen this coin for around 190 +- euro!!!! Also, when I searched, I found it directly for this price. I am not an expert, just asking. :-) Your opinion / founded information?

Sold a few months ago.  Graded as XF.  105€

https://katzauction.com/lot/262988

AlanSmith

80 euro? I have seen this coin for around 190 +- euro!!!! Also, when I searched, I found it directly for this price. I am not an expert, just asking. :-) Your opinion / founded information?

Did you find it at that price on large auction houses like ma-shop or small, local auction houses and/or coin clubs? Large auction houses have extremely high prices, especially for common coins such as this. 

Are they sold examples or examples offered at that price? You can list a coin at any price you like, it doesn't mean someone will buy it. The only relevant information is the price a coin sold for in the past, what it's being offered for is irrelevant.

Here are a few sold examples in the past few years on a local auction house I use:

2021 sold for 70: https://www.aukcije.hr/prodaja/Numizmatika/Kovanice/Plemeniti-metali/590/oglas/5-KORONA-1907-KB-1867-1907-Coronation/4864886

2022 sold for 70: https://www.aukcije.hr/prodaja/Numizmatika/Kovanice/Plemeniti-metali/590/oglas/5-KORONA-1907-KRUNIDBA/4936286

2022 sold for 75: https://www.aukcije.hr/prodaja/Numizmatika/Kovanice/Plemeniti-metali/590/oglas/5-KORONA-1907-KB-1867-1907-Coronation/4882314

2023 sold for 71: https://www.aukcije.hr/prodaja/Numizmatika/Kovanice/Plemeniti-metali/590/oglas/5-korona-1907-krunidba-srebro/5261130

Even on ebay these coins don't reach no where near 190 euro and ebay is notorious for being overpriced:

Sold on ebay a few days ago for 109: https://tinyurl.com/y8rk434n

Another one sold for 104: https://tinyurl.com/yxvmcyr5

You asked for our opinion and got it. It's your money, do whatever you want with it. If you like the coin and think its worth that much no one will try and stop you from buying it.

It is best to compare the prices here in our country and in Austria-Hungary - after all, it is the home coin of our common emperor.

here the prices also vary depending on the quality from -    to 217,77$     Fix I messed up:

 178,57$    etc- 173,77$

https://www.numismatikapesek.cz/archiv-produktu/5-koruna-1907-kb--korunovace-6/

Here you have many examples:

https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=581969934&sxsrf=AM9HkKnw12Z8Fs4HtTl6z8dOl9jKu2seYg:1699897445919&q=5+korun+1907+korunovace&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjcj6y7w8GCAxXYo_0HHfiJB94Q0pQJegQIDRAB&biw=1242&bih=552&dpr=1.1

Colleagues, let's not forget that prices are skyrocketing (today I was going through my favorite sellers and I couldn't help but be surprised - I'm not able and willing to accept new prices)

This coin is popular and as you can see it is also sold out in the red almost everywhere - many people take it as an investment coin.

I'm not an expert and I don't even have the experience to dare to evaluate your coin - so take a look at the website here and compare your price with the prices of similar coins.

So much in a nutshell - I've been known to stick to the rules of short messaging like SMS, so please excuse me.

Ivan

Yes, in the past the coin was cleaned with rubbing and a chemical cleaning agent🙃

Have a nice day.

Do I have to explain to my colleagues why I think it was scrubbed?  

When the coin is completely soaked in a chemical bath, the entire surface is evenly stripped of the long-term patina of silver - which is a natural oxidation process.

But if the coin is only slightly wet and the pulp-cloth is immediately taken and the surface is wiped, the raised reliefs will be rubbed off and the body of the smooth coin will also lose its patina.

However, the edges and the written text along the edge under the relief will remain the original patina that the coin had.

here is a sample of your coin

Here is a principle and an unwritten rule:

*Either remove the coin completely and in detail from the original patina and wait for the creation of a new natural one

*if it does not have clay - mud - dirt - always leave the original, natural patina of the coin. It gives the coin its natural birth certificate as well as the maturity and quality of the metal

Just this example is a demonstration that inexpertly and unnecessarily tampering with the metal is a sign of impropriety and the coin loses its value.

So this is all me again in a nutshell and it's just my opinion and answer.

Ivan