Indentification

Can you please tell me the ID and the value of this coin?

Thank you in advance.

Hello, help us help you. Can you please measure the diameter in millimeters, and weigh it.

I cropped the pictures for you -

you can do this on your phone.

The diameter is 13 mm and it weights 0.57 g.

Hello wel come aboard 😃

Please read the forum policies and indicate the material : brass or gold ?

The coin is golden

So you can use the search engine

https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/turkey-1-4-altin-km-627-1223-13-1223-15-cuid-1100823-duid-1556226

your coin is year 14 (١٤)

KM#627 is not in the Numista catalog. Can you take some more pictures, and we can create a page for it.

ana92

But that's not the same coin….. no hole any longer?

Sorry i am new at this stuff. I ll post it later.

Mr. Midnight

https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/turkey-1-4-altin-km-627-1223-13-1223-15-cuid-1100823-duid-1556226

 

your coin is year 14 (١٤)

 

 

KM#627 is not in the Numista catalog. Can you take some more pictures, and we can create a page for it.

 

If we create a listing, it's better to use an image of a coin that doesn't have a hole.  For example: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=11721214

And once again we see that it is common for Ottoman coins to have been holed, and that we should not assume holed objects are tokens when trying to ID them.

You still have to make sure that Numista has the right to use the images. We know the ownership of the holed coin, but the others with no hole? Careful. 

Please check the origin here:

https://en.numista.com/info.php

Good point.  

In this case, Via is on our approved list, so it's OK to use the photos in the link.

I would prefer OP provided pictures of his own coin.

these are not in perfect focus but still usable.

I still feel bad about the hole…..

yes, not a great coin for that.

But many, many Ottoman coins from that time got holes. It is almost normal.

Mr. Midnight

yes, not a great coin for that.

But many, many Ottoman coins from that time got holes. It is almost normal.

 

I meant the hole used to join it to a chain, nobody in their right mind would do that with a real gold coin😂

Mr. Midnight

I would prefer OP provided pictures of his own coin.

these are not in perfect focus but still usable.

 

Nor do they have a white background, and the coin is badly damaged.  

A third party image of an undamaged coin in high grade is the preferred option according to our guidelines.

Sjoelund

Mr. Midnight

yes, not a great coin for that.

But many, many Ottoman coins from that time got holes. It is almost normal.

 

I meant the hole used to join it to a chain, nobody in their right mind would do that with a real gold coin😂

I can't hope to understand what would constitute the right mind for a person in this part of the world 200 years ago.       

Sjoelund

 

Mr. Midnight

yes, not a great coin for that.

But many, many Ottoman coins from that time got holes. It is almost normal.

 

I meant the hole used to join it to a chain, nobody in their right mind would do that with a real gold coin😂

Oh yes they did. 

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I see, what you mean, it's just I don't understand it, since the gold from the hole as such was lost, but maybe the dust was collected and reused for other things?

The hole certainly lowered the trade value of the coin (lowered weight), so why make the hole?

In the Ottoman empire from which this coin comes from gold and silver coins were commonly used in folk dresses as a sign of prestige. Most precious metal coins from the period will have a hole in it. At first real coins were used and the belly dancer replica came later. I also read somewhere jewelry made of such coins was a common wedding gift. I think it's safe to day people back then didn't really care about a coins numismatic value, they just wanted to show off their bling.

In societies that were more mobile than today's, perhaps it was felt to be easier/safer to keep one's wealth on a wire or chain (than in a box)?

(edit: seems I was writing at the same time as cro321)

cro321

In the Ottoman empire from which this coin comes from gold and silver coins were commonly used in folk dresses as a sign of prestige. Most precious metal coins from the period will have a hole in it. At first real coins were used and the belly dancer replica came later. I also read somewhere jewelry made of such coins was a common wedding gift. I think it's safe to day people back then didn't really care about a coins numismatic value, they just wanted to show off their bling.

I was not thinking about the numismatic value, but the trade value when buying goods….

If properly done with a needle the hole does not remove any metal, but displaces it into the sides of the hole.

The practice was also common in the USA in the 19th century.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p3814320.m570.l2632&_nkw=gold+hole&_sacat=253

I have been told that people kept their money so on a leather cord around their neck.

Sjoelund

 

I was not thinking about the numismatic value, but the trade value when buying goods….

Oh I understood, I meant in general while we today find holed coins as damaged people back then didn't view them as such. With a weight of less than 1 gram I doubt much gold was lost when making the hole if any. I love how the Ottoman empire still had these small gold coins meant for circulation in the 19th century while Europe forced copper and silver for small transactions and kept gold mostly out of everyday use.

150. SEBAT “three points in pyramid” 5. YIL “something smeared”

150. RESISTENCE “three points in pyramid” 5. YEAR “something smeared”. Modern Turekey was founded in 1923, so the 150 doesn't make a lot of sense?

We need the “smeared” word!