Add more length to subdivisions field of currencies

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Currencies have a field with subdivisions. For example, euro currencies have: 1 Euro = 100 Cents

 

This field has a large length (255 characters). In most of cases this is enough, but some currencies have many subdivisions and others have different values over time, and now we can not write all values of subdivisions here.

 

One example is this currency: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/catalonia_principality-1.html#c_catalonia_principality3059 (but there are others)

 

Now we have these subdivisions:

 

1 Libra = 10 Reales = 20 Sous = 40 Seisenos = 120 Doblers = 120 Ardites = 240 Dineros = 480 Mallas = 480 Obols = 480 Senyals = 960 Pugesas • 1 Pacifico  = 18 Sous (1465-1476) = 20 Sous (from 1476) • 1 Florin = 15 Sous (average) • 1 Groat = 12 Dineros (1285-1406) = 18 Dineros (1407-1424; 1454-1500) = 15 Dineros (1425-1453) = 24 Dineros (1501-1669) = 36 Dineros (from 1670) • 1 Principado = 24 Sous • 1 Trentin = 33 Groats

❌ The length is 422 and is cut to 255

1 Libra = 10 Reales = 20 Sous = 40 Seisenos = 120 Doblers = 120 Ardites = 240 Dineros = 480 Mallas = 480 Obols = 480 Senyals = 960 Pugesas • 1 Pacifico  = 18 Sous (1465-1476) = 20 Sous (from 1476) • 1 Florin = 15 Sous (average) • 1 Groat = 12 Dineros (128

 

But as said @tdziemia here https://en.numista.com/forum/topic145625.html#p1157315, show all values can be too long. I agree, and showing all the information is not useful for many users… but it is for others. tdzienia suggests write only an interval (underlined text):

 

1 Libra = 10 Reales = 20 Sous = 40 Seisenos = 120 Doblers = 120 Ardites = 240 Dineros = 480 Mallas = 480 Obols = 480 Senyals = 960 Pugesas • 1 Pacifico  = 18 - 20 Sous • 1 Florin = 15 Sous (average) • 1 Groat = 12 - 36 Dineros • 1 Principado = 24 Sous • 1 Trentin = 33 Groats

 

❌ The length is 275 and is cut to 255
1 Libra = 10 Reales = 20 Sous = 40 Seisenos = 120 Doblers = 120 Ardites = 240 Dineros = 480 Mallas = 480 Obols = 480 Senyals = 960 Pugesas • 1 Pacifico  = 18 - 20 Sous • 1 Florin = 15 Sous (average) • 1 Groat = 12 - 36 Dineros • 1 Principado = 24 Sous • 1

 

I also reduced this text by joining names with the same value (underlined text):

 

1 Libra = 10 Reales = 20 Sous = 40 Seisenos = 120 Doblers/Ardites = 240 Dineros = 480 Mallas/Obols/Senyals = 960 Pugesas • 1 Pacifico  = 18 - 20 Sous • 1 Florin = 15 Sous (average) • 1 Groat = 12 - 36 Dineros • 1 Principado = 24 Sous • 1 Trentin = 33 Groats

 

❌ The length is 258 and is cut to 255

1 Libra = 10 Reales = 20 Sous = 40 Seisenos = 120 Doblers/Ardites = 240 Dineros = 480 Mallas/Obols/Senyals = 960 Pugesas • 1 Pacifico  = 18 - 20 Sous • 1 Florin = 15 Sous (average) • 1 Groat = 12 - 36 Dineros • 1 Principado = 24 Sous • 1 Trentin = 33 Gro

 

None of this solve the problem, if we want to write all subdivisions. In my opinion, the only solution is to increase its length. How many? I do not know… 500, 1000… or not limit.

 

Suggestion for when this field is long enough

 

To write this on a separate topic is pointless at this moment, the length needs to be increased first.

 

I think that if we replace all the values with an interval, the purpose of this line (to give information about the values) will be lost. My suggestion is to write intervals to reduce the length, but show the full conversions (instead intervals) if members want more information.

 

The system must support hiding/showing text in the content of the subdivisions field. If we can add a link similar to “show more” that shows all possible values of a denomination, users can see by default the reduced option and click here if they want see all possible values.

 

In my example, at beginning the system will show

 

1 Libra = 10 Reales = 20 Sous = 40 Seisenos = 120 Doblers = 120 Ardites = 240 Dineros = 480 Mallas = 480 Obols = 480 Senyals = 960 Pugesas • 1 Pacifico  = 18 - 20 Sous (+) • 1 Florin = 15 Sous (average) • 1 Groat = 12 - 36 Dineros (+) • 1 Principado = 24 Sous • 1 Trentin = 33 Groats


where (+) are those links.

 

If the user clicks on the link (+) of “1 Groat = 12 - 36 Dineros (+)”, then the system will show all values of 1 Groat:

 

1 Libra = 10 Reales = 20 Sous = 40 Seisenos = 120 Doblers = 120 Ardites = 240 Dineros = 480 Mallas = 480 Obols = 480 Senyals = 960 Pugesas • 1 Pacifico  = 18 - 20 Sous (+) • 1 Florin = 15 Sous (average) • 1 Groat = 12 Dineros (1285-1406) = 18 Dineros (1407-1424; 1454-1500) = 15 Dineros (1425-1453) = 24 Dineros (1501-1669) = 36 Dineros (from 1670) • 1 Principado = 24 Sous • 1 Trentin = 33 Groats

 

Now if the user clicks on the link (+) of “1 Pacifico  = 18 - 20 Sous (+)”, then the system will show all values of 1 Pacifico:

 

1 Libra = 10 Reales = 20 Sous = 40 Seisenos = 120 Doblers = 120 Ardites = 240 Dineros = 480 Mallas = 480 Obols = 480 Senyals = 960 Pugesas • 1 Pacifico  = 18 Sous (1465-1476) = 20 Sous (from 1476) • 1 Florin = 15 Sous (average) • 1 Groat = 12 Dineros (1285-1406) = 18 Dineros (1407-1424; 1454-1500) = 15 Dineros (1425-1453) = 24 Dineros (1501-1669) = 36 Dineros (from 1670) • 1 Principado = 24 Sous • 1 Trentin = 33 Groats

 

and so on…

 

I tried in the Spanish side with HTML/CSS/JavaScript a code and this works but is necessary display all text, not only 255 characters.

 

❗ This will be used by translators so… an use-friendly code must be defined to do this. For example

{SHOW : short_text : long_text}

could create a link with text short_text and when the user clicks on it, replace it with long_text.

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There are several questions related to this suggestion that must be resolved before continuing, in order to set a guideline to follow: 

  • How much space is there to write subdivisions?
  • What do we do when a denomination has different values over time?
  • How are these values written in subdivisions and denominations?
  • When we divide a currency with denominations with different values over time?

(copied from https://en.numista.com/forum/topic144651.html#p1158009)

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Even though I am shortening, I need more space. 🤬 https://en.numista.com/forum/topic146399.html

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@Xavier, I mention you because I think it is important to fix this. If a long text is added here, will be cut and lost.

 

This problem is already real.

 

After adding new values in the subdivision field here https://en.numista.com/catalogue/catalonia_principality-1.html?o=v, the text is too long for the database column length and has been cut off:

  • (EN) ❌
    1 Libra = 10 Reales = 20 Sous = 40 Seisenos = 120 Doblers/Ardites = 240 Dineros = 480 Mallas/Obols/Senyals = 960 Pugesas • 1 Pacifico = 18 - 20 Sous • 1 Florin = 15 Sous (average) • 1 Groat = 12 - 36 Dineros • 1 Principado = 24 Sous • 1 Trentin = 33 Groa
    and must be
    1 Libra = 10 Reales = 20 Sous = 40 Seisenos = 120 Doblers/Ardites = 240 Dineros = 480 Mallas/Obols/Senyals = 960 Pugesas • 1 Pacifico  = 18 - 20 Sous • 1 Florin = 15 Sous (average) • 1 Groat = 12 - 36 Dineros • 1 Principado = 24 Sous • 1 Trentin = 33 Groats
  • (FR) ✔️
    1 libra = 10 réaux = 20 sous = 40 sizains = 120 doblers/ardites = 240 deniers = 480 mallas/obols/senyals = 960 pugesas • 1 pacifico = 18 - 20 sous • 1 florin = 15 sous (moyen) • 1 gros = 12 - 36 dineros • 1 principado = 24 sous • 1 trentin = 33 gros
  • (ES) ❌
    1 libra = 10 reales = 20 sueldos = 40 seisenos = 120 dobleros/ardites = 240 dineros = 480 mallas/óbolos/señales = 960 pugesas • 1 pacífico = 18 - 20 sueldos • 1 florín = 15 sueldos (promedio) • 1 croat = 12 - 36 dineros • 1 principado = 24 sueldos • 1 tr
    and must be
    1 libra = 10 reales = 20 sueldos = 40 seisenos = 120 dobleros/ardites = 240 dineros = 480 mallas/óbolos/señales = 960 pugesas • 1 pacífico  = 18 - 20 sueldos • 1 florín = 15 sueldos (promedio) • 1 croat = 12 - 36 dineros • 1 principado = 24 sueldos • 1 trentín = 33 croats

 

It does not end here: the Trentin also has different values over time, so this will be longer.

 

I updated the first topic to the current situation.

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Hm, trying to depict the varying values of medieval coins in a high temporal resolution is highly questionable. It is like you would want to list all the currency exchange rates of the last couple of decades or better, the value of precious metal over time. You would have to add dates everywhere and this would clutter up the mess even more, making it quite useless.

I understand… this option is a suggestion, and would be applied only when the values are well known. For example, in the case explained in the first post, the value of Florin is not an interval but an average, because the variation is continuous.

 

The main thing is to increase the length, because now there is not enough space even with intervals.

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