coin ID help, old pfennig, 16th-17th Cen.?? [opgelost]

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I kindly ask your help identifying this coin. The paper envelope holding it said “Tecklenburg, 1650”, but nothing in the catalog comes close to that. My gut says it's a pfennig of some sort. The only text is a small “T” at the top of each side.  The coin is copper, 15-16mm diameter.  Thank you!!

 

It is not Tecklenburg coat of arms. Three hearts should be easy to recognize and they are not on the shield. Bentheim-Tecklenburg-Rheda got Rheda's lion, but they also get Tecklenburg's hearts.

 

those lions or griffons look like Nassau-Saarbrücken or Hesse. Schwarzburg has similar beast, but they get other symbols from linked counties.

Thanks for the suggestions, but unfortunately I still couldn't identify it.  I'll keep searching.

 

thanks

SubseaDave

Thanks for the suggestions, but unfortunately I still couldn't identify it.  I'll keep searching.

 

thanks

I’ve looked in my German 1500-2011 book and it is not there

I can't tell if the quartered shield has 4 lions or something different.

 

There were arms with 4 lions briefly in the Low Countries in the late 14th century reign of Wenceslas of Bohemia (it was the lions of Brabant, Limburg, Luxembourg and Bohemia).  But this coin is later.  

 

I looked at Teschen but the eagle is not quite the style of the Silesian eagle, and lions aren't typical there.   There's also the possibility the T is a ruler's initial rather than a place.  

 

If not Germany, this could be the size of an Italian quattrino, though I've no idea from where of whom. 

Not a match, but the shield with four lions looks a bit like this one:

 

N#157115

copper composition, gregorian date between 1400 and 1600, search for shield. Need to search for all coins as type is not set on that piece.

 

N#390455

 

Page 207 in https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044081055535&view=1up&seq=9&skin=2021

 

Should weight around 0.8 gram. Some auctions on acsearch indicate that it is not just copper. There is a bit of silver in it which would fit period low denomination coinage.

tokul

copper composition, gregorian date between 1400 and 1600, search for shield. Need to search for all coins as type is not set on that piece.

 

N#390455

 

Page 207 in https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044081055535&view=1up&seq=9&skin=2021

 

Should weight around 0.8 gram. Some auctions on acsearch indicate that it is not just copper. There is a bit of silver in it which would fit period low denomination coinage.

Incredible find -- thank you so much!  The image search has been generally successful but not this time

 

Dave

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