Unknown 2 Mariengroschen 1624, Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel [opgelost]

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Hi, I came across this coin which I am not able to identify. The obverse has the lettering DEO ET PATRIÆ and the Friedrich Ulrich (1613-1634) VF monogram, surrounded by the date (16)Z4. On the reverse the lettering is BRAUN LANDT MVN surrounding II MG. It weighs 1.16 g and has a diameter of 16 mm.

 

The closest match I can find is N#40365 (KM 264) but the reverse lettering is off. This type is, at 19 mm, also larger.

 

The 1 Mariengroschen at N#252841 (KM 134) has the correct diameter but only weighs 0,6 g.

 

I don't have access to Welter so I am not sure if this is a known variant. Any help would be much appreciated!

Different reverse legend, probably a different coin from either of these.  

 

Need for our Germany experts to comment.

I managed to find the same coin on Wikimedia Commons, where it is classified as Welter 1113 (N#40365 on Numista) by Numismatische Gesellschaft Kölner Münzfreunde von 1957 e.V.:

 

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2_Mariengroschen_1624_Friedrich_Ulrich-0471-2.jpg

 

Seems to be from exactly the same die pair as well.

 

Perhaps the  Wikimedia coin is incorrectly attributed?  

It is the same as yours, but it is not the same coin that everyone else is calling Welter 1113 (VON FEINEM SILBER):

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9987887

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1154975

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=478829

tdziemia

Perhaps the  Wikimedia coin is incorrectly attributed?  

It is the same as yours, but it is not the same coin that everyone else is calling Welter 1113 (VON FEINEM SILBER):

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9987887

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1154975

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=478829

Thanks for the research. I agree that the attribution seems incorrect. The legend differences are large enough to warrant its own type.

I figured this one out. Welter 1113 corresponds with 310-14 and 7541-43 in Münz- und Medaillen-Kabinett des Grafen Karl zu Inn- und Knyphausen (1872-1877) where these two and other variations are listed. My coin matches Knyphausen 311.

 

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