Unknown Islamic States #16

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Hello all, 

 

I have a coin I believe to be from the Islamic states but it is hard to place based on some of the wear as well as the writing. Here are the states

 

  • Bronze/copper composition
  • Around 28 to 30 mm in diameter with a 2 mm thickness
  • 9.281g
  • Appears to be a possible counterstamp though this could be just made as intended

 

Hope to hear what this is!

This coin, with its substantial diameter (28–30 mm) and weight (9.281 g), is consistent with large bronze issues from the late Roman Empire or early Byzantine period, particularly those minted during currency reforms in the 3rd to 5th centuries CE. The dark patina and worn surface suggest long circulation or burial, typical of coins used in frontier provinces. The presence of what may be a counterstamp—either incuse or raised—adds complexity to its identification. In Roman numismatics, counterstamps were sometimes applied to revalidate older coins, mark them for specific regions, or denote changes in value. However, some designs that resemble counterstamps were actually part of the original strike, such as mint marks, monograms, or religious symbols.

If the mark is incuse and interrupts the original design, it could be a later punch from a local authority or merchant, especially in regions where Roman coins continued to circulate post-imperially. If raised and integrated, it may represent a Chi-Rho symbol, a mint officina letter, or an emperor’s monogram—common in late imperial and early Byzantine coinage. Coins of this size and weight were often AE1 or AE2 denominations, used for higher-value transactions and frequently featuring imperial busts and Christian iconography. In today’s market, such coins range from $15 to $100 depending on clarity, rarity, and identifiable features. Your specimen, with its intriguing mark and robust flan, may merit closer inspection under angled lighting or digital enhancement to clarify its origin and function. John Lorenzo, Numismatist, USA.

John P Lorenzo

Apart from what appears to be a numeral 4 everything else is crude Arabic, one side has multiple overstrikes which is not uncommon for some lslamic series. Both the circular and the one with a presumed 4 are countermarks, either side of the 4 are Arabic numerals 8, 0, 7 , the circular stamp looks familiar and l need to check my trays 

Vic

colonialjohn

This coin, with its substantial diameter (28–30 mm) and weight (9.281 g), is consistent with large bronze issues from the late Roman Empire or early Byzantine period, particularly those minted during currency reforms in the 3rd to 5th centuries CE. The dark patina and worn surface suggest long circulation or burial, typical of coins used in frontier provinces. The presence of what may be a counterstamp—either incuse or raised—adds complexity to its identification. In Roman numismatics, counterstamps were sometimes applied to revalidate older coins, mark them for specific regions, or denote changes in value. However, some designs that resemble counterstamps were actually part of the original strike, such as mint marks, monograms, or religious symbols.

If the mark is incuse and interrupts the original design, it could be a later punch from a local authority or merchant, especially in regions where Roman coins continued to circulate post-imperially. If raised and integrated, it may represent a Chi-Rho symbol, a mint officina letter, or an emperor’s monogram—common in late imperial and early Byzantine coinage. Coins of this size and weight were often AE1 or AE2 denominations, used for higher-value transactions and frequently featuring imperial busts and Christian iconography. In today’s market, such coins range from $15 to $100 depending on clarity, rarity, and identifiable features. Your specimen, with its intriguing mark and robust flan, may merit closer inspection under angled lighting or digital enhancement to clarify its origin and function. John Lorenzo, Numismatist, USA.

AI is terrible for old coins.

Maybe a Quduz coin countermarked

https://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=23366

colonialjohn

This coin, with its substantial diameter (28–30 mm) and weight (9.281 g), is consistent with large bronze issues from the late Roman Empire or early Byzantine period, particularly those minted during currency reforms in the 3rd to 5th centuries CE. The dark patina and worn surface suggest long circulation or burial, typical of coins used in frontier provinces. The presence of what may be a counterstamp—either incuse or raised—adds complexity to its identification. In Roman numismatics, counterstamps were sometimes applied to revalidate older coins, mark them for specific regions, or denote changes in value. However, some designs that resemble counterstamps were actually part of the original strike, such as mint marks, monograms, or religious symbols.

If the mark is incuse and interrupts the original design, it could be a later punch from a local authority or merchant, especially in regions where Roman coins continued to circulate post-imperially. If raised and integrated, it may represent a Chi-Rho symbol, a mint officina letter, or an emperor’s monogram—common in late imperial and early Byzantine coinage. Coins of this size and weight were often AE1 or AE2 denominations, used for higher-value transactions and frequently featuring imperial busts and Christian iconography. In today’s market, such coins range from $15 to $100 depending on clarity, rarity, and identifiable features. Your specimen, with its intriguing mark and robust flan, may merit closer inspection under angled lighting or digital enhancement to clarify its origin and function. John Lorenzo, Numismatist, USA.

Hello, 

 

While I do appreciate the info that was presented, I won't be using this as I can tell this is heavily AI generated and has provided no clear answers as to what it is. Moreover, this coin is no where near when Rome or Byzantine related as other coins can be the same size from hundreds apart. If that was the case, there would have been more evidence to suggest it such as roman art styles or languages like Latin or Greek lettering present which none were. I am trying not to be insulting but please consider using resources other than AI as coin collectors like myself are trying to find the right coin and can do our research on our own. Also, AI uses a ton of water which are leaving many communities in the U.S. struggling with access to clean water. 

Geison

Maybe a Quduz coin countermarked

https://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=23366

Hello so I checked the entries but i cannot seem to see a line up of them. Is there any chance you could take a look at the writing found on it?

I see the countermark “adl” (legal/justice) however, that doesn't help narrow it down.  At some point it was used as a persian copper, but from which city and at which time(s)…it's difficult to say.

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