Creation of issuers for Pre-Colonial Mesoamerican "axe money"

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Hello, and I hope you are well!

 

I wanted to discuss the creation of some new issuers for the Mexican axe/hoe money currently on Numista, as well as other types I will be adding in the meantime. These “proto-coins” were used across Mexico, but data shows how different types are rather localized, allowing researchers to assign regions to the different types of “coins”. While we cannot know the exact people or cities than made each type, having this information displayed within Numista's issuers would help simplify these axe currencies, and make them easier to understand for those who may not be familiar with them.

 

It is important in my mind to separate them as such for two major reasons. 

 

-1: As of right now, they are all currently grouped under the issuer “Mexico” and its “Unspecified currency” alongside a multitude of tokens, fantasy items, and tourist souvenirs. These currencies predate the unification of Mexico, as well as European knowledge of Mesoamerica itself, and deserve to be separated from modern exonumia.

 

-2: The Guerrero-Michoacán types and the Oaxaca types differ, enough to justify each getting their own issuer. Oaxaca types are primarily shaped with curved, hammered edges, resembling mushrooms. According to Hosler et al., this resemblance was due to the religious significance of mushrooms to the people of the Oaxaca region during this time period. Similarly, Hosler et al. state that the Guerrero-Michoacán variants appear more axe-like due to that region's association of axes as symbols of power, alongside ritual and ceremonial functions. The stark differences in the styles and cultures of these two regions merits them to stand as two independent issuers in my opinion.

 

Source:

Hosler, Dorothy, Heather Lechtman, and Olaf Holm. Axe-Monies and Their Relatives. Studies in Pre-Columbian Art & Archaeology, Number Thirty. Washington, D.C.: Dumbarton Oaks Research Library and Collection, 1990

https://archive.org/details/hosler-lechtman-holm-axe-monies/mode/1up?q=3a

 

My proposal:

 

Mexico

----- Mexican States

----- Mexico

----- Pre-Colonial Mesoamerica (Postclassic Mesoamerica?)

---------- Guerrero-Michoacán Region (West Mexican Complex)

---------- Oaxaca Region

 

Name: "Guerrero-Michoacán Region (West Mexican Complex)"

Map Location: Mexico

Coins: N#283418

Successors:Mexico

Introduction: The Guerrero-Michoacán region, otherwise known as the West Mexican Complex in the discussion of Mesoamerican axe/hoe money, is located on the Pacific coast of western Mexico. Axe/hoe money was first introduced to the region alongside alloy-based metallurgy via maritime trade with Ecuador around A.D. 1200–1300, and trade between the regions continued up until the Spanish invasion. 

 

Name: "Oaxaca Region"

Map Location: Mexico

Coins: N#283419 (Currently listed as Guerrero-Michoacán, but this is an example of type 2b, a Oaxaca variety)

Successors:Mexico

Introduction: The Oaxaca Region of Mexico is located on the Pacific coast of southwestern Mexico. Axe/hoe money was first introduced to the region alongside alloy-based metallurgy via maritime trade with Ecuador around A.D. 1200–1300, and trade between the regions continued up until the Spanish invasion. 

 

Thank you and have a wonderful day!

I second this, the regional variation is backed up by what limited archeo material exists on it. 

Bump!

The proto-coins belonging to these proposed issuers have been updated to reflect this requested change, hopefully we can get this approved to fix the Mexican catalog!

Those are NOT coins!

 

They should NOT be added!

 

Aidan.

BCNumismatics

Those are NOT coins!

 

They should NOT be added!

 

Aidan.

Nobody claimed that they're coins. These are proto-coins and as such, they have every right to be in the cataloge. Besides, they're already in it since a while, the forum post is about to move them into a more appropriate issuer instead of Mexico.

BCNumismatics

Those are NOT coins!

 

They should NOT be added!

 

Aidan.

Your lack of knowledge on the ethnographic currencies of Mesoamerica does NOT dictate how the Numista catalog is organized!

 

These have been on Numista for years, have extensive archeological evidence that proves they were used as a form of “proto-currency”, and no one ever claimed that they were true coins as SGreg85 pointed out. Your constant incorrect arguments on topics you are not familiar with is tiresome.

BCNumismatics

Those are NOT coins!

 

They should NOT be added!

 

Aidan.

Why are you so obsessed with providing incorrect statements on coins you know nothing about? Protomoney is allowed here and this item has more of the characteristics of true coinage than the modern NIFC stuff you post 😉 

Bump to hopefully get this completed finally 

This request has been open since December of last year, bumping to hopefully get it done!

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