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I was curious if anyone else has noticed stamps not being cancelled when mailing non-machinable envelopes?

 

I've always enjoyed seeing the cool stamps that people affix when mailing coins.  I'm just wondering why employees aren't taking the time to cancel them.  There is no ink (phosphorescent or otherwise) on 4 out of the last 5 swaps I received.

 

At this rate, they going to make me start collecting stamps! My wife will kill me if I pick up another hobby.

Nothing new under the sun, it has been like this for decades now and not only USPS but other postal services as well.

 

As a former postal employee I can tell you that some days there is not staff enough to do whatever staff is supposed to do and self-economizing kicks in. Nobody wants to work extra time because there were noone to manually cancel postage stamps.

 

Postal services of today are such that a certain percent of mail has to be delivered within time (normally 95-98%), so automatically the rest (2-5%) gets screwed on a regular basis, hence the decline in customer satisfaction.

pennyless

 

As a former postal employee I can tell you that some days there is not staff enough to do whatever staff is supposed to do and self-economizing kicks in. Nobody wants to work extra time because there were noone to manually cancel postage stamps.

This was my suspicion.  I certainly wouldn't spend an extra few hours doing that.  Thanks for the reply.

I'm a member of PMCC, (Post Mark Collectors Club), and this is the primary reason membership has been steadily dropping for decades. Less than 10% of my mail is 1st class, and receives any postmark at all. And then, it is from the distribution centers like Utica or Albany. My two local PO's 13320, and 13459 only cancel items from the ‘local’ slot. I have, however, requested a hand cancel for out-of-town mail, and they have always obliged.

Are cancelled stamps important in philately?

Most philatelists prefer mint stamps, especially mint never hinged (MNH). I personally prefer cancelled stamps because the delicate issue of the gum is out of the way. Still, I have many mint stamps and I keep both a mint and a used stamp or set  when I do have both.

 

With old stamps the gum tends to become dark yellow and crack &/or cause the stamp to roll, so this is an issue. Also, humidity may cause them to stick to the page if you keep them in a album of some sort.

 

There are cases where used stamps are more valuable than mint ones, for example many of the early Papal States stamps. I have some which are “used” but I suspect the cancellations are fake. In many/most cases it's not easy to differentiate between authentic and fake cancellations, and I'm no expert in this. In North America, the most obvious cases of early stamps that are more valuable used than mint are from Prince Edward Island before it joined Canada in 1873.

 

Sometimes, you regret that a stamp wasn't cancelled if the cover (i.e. the stamped and mailed envelope) has a special interest that goes beyond the stamps on their own. In my case, several years ago I received this:

 

 

In the 1949 agreement for Newfoundland to join Canada, their coins became legal tender in Canada and their stamps as well. It's unfortunate that this package wasn't cancelled in the city where it was sent from (Aurora, Ontario). I kept it as is anyway and wrote the relevant info on the back (date received, etc.).

 

It happens quite regularly in Canada as well that stamps are not cancelled. One thing philatelists don't like is when the stamps are hand cancelled with a pen or marker. Ideally, they should be cancelled neatly with the post office and date clear. A cancellation on the edge is also appreciated if you prefer to see the entire design of the stamp.

 

By the way, one should beware of CTOs, i.e. of stamps that were lightly “cancelled to order”. This is in philately the equivalent on NC in coin collecting. Many poor and other countries (e.g. the Arab Emirates) used to produce tens of 1000s of sheets of stamps just to cancel them and sell them to stamps dealers, who would then sell individual stamps or blocks of four to collectors. So you have a plethora of African countries that produced JFK stamps or Apollo 11 stamps just to make a profit by appealing to a certain category of American and other thematic collectors.

 

The market has tanked in the last 30 years, so I suspect many less countries produce this kind of worthless stuff than they used to in the 70s and 80s. The worst offender back then was Tonga — they were to stamp collecting what Niue is now to coin collecting, though of course ugly meaningless stamps are much less expensive than the Niue deluxe trash…

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Camerinvs

Most philatelists prefer mint stamps, especially mint never hinged (MNH). 

That is a truth with modifications, since it has changed much over time. Also, there are philatelists and there are stamp collectors.

 

Stamp collectors and philatelists used to prefer postally used stamps, especially those they received in the mail or could collect from their workplace or an office that received lots of mail. Those were the days (more than 20 years ago). Stamp collecting used to be a popular and  inexpensive hobby - a hobby of recycling long before recycling became a buzzword.

 

Some stamp collectors would specialize in collecting cancelled stamps where the place name and date is fully readable, others would collect lightly cancelled stamps with the theme of the stamp visible. Great difference in value since the first ones are more scarce than the latter.

 

Stamp collectors and philatelists with money to spare would buy mint stamps in sheets and collect all sorts of variations taken from the sheets, some collectors would even look for “flyspecks”, i.e. printing errors and such, on the sheets and document in what position the errors could be found.

Slipstreamed

I was curious if anyone else has noticed stamps not being cancelled when mailing non-machinable envelopes?

 

I've always enjoyed seeing the cool stamps that people affix when mailing coins.  I'm just wondering why employees aren't taking the time to cancel them.  There is no ink (phosphorescent or otherwise) on 4 out of the last 5 swaps I received.

 

At this rate, they going to make me start collecting stamps! My wife will kill me if I pick up another hobby.

Most of the time, I will get stamped mail with awesome stamps. Sadly most of them are either covered in tape, or pierced through by a staple.💀 

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Thank for you such a thoughtful and thorough reply.  Really fascinating!

 

I am actively resisting the urge to start collecting stamps now.

These are from my last two swaps. Really beautiful. I especially like the astronaut.

Make sure that you cut well away from the perforations. Some of these stamps go back several decades.

 

My oldest stamps on an envelope were a 1928 2c stamp and three 1934 3c:

 

 

They're poorly centered so they were worth very little even mint. The seller obviously didn't think it was worthwhile to hold on to them and spend any time trying to sell them above face value.

 

Camerinvs

Most philatelists prefer mint stamps, especially mint never hinged (MNH). 

pennyless

That is a truth with modifications, since it has changed much over time. Also, there are philatelists and there are stamp collectors.

That's why I used the present tense. I have myself a number of German covers from the 1920s–1930s which were obviously sent with the purpose of having a friend or relative receive a series of stamps, each cancelled individually as they were intentionally spaced on the envelope. In one case I've seen online, the sender asked the post employee to cancel neatly.

 

I've never heard of a distinction between philatelist and stamp collector. Between numismatist and coin collector yes. I suppose it's kind of the same idea? From my understanding, however, the study of the use of stamp is dealt with by postal historians, many of whom of course also look at letter sending from well before the invention of the postage stamp in 1840.

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Wow, took those stamps nearly 100years to be put to use.

Camerinvs

I've never heard of a distinction between philatelist and stamp collector. Between numismatist and coin collector yes. I suppose it's kind of the same idea? From my understanding, however, the study of the use of stamp is dealt with by postal historians, many of whom of course also look at letter sending from well before the invention of the postage stamp in 1840.

Well, the difference between a stamp collector and a philatelist is often mostly snobism. A stamp collector just collects stamps where the philatelist is member of an organized collector's club, which is a member of FIP - with a merital system of national and international philatelic exhibitions. Some of these organized collector's are also publishers of specialized literature on their narrow field of philatelic interest.

Slipstreamed

These are from my last two swaps. Really beautiful. I especially like the astronaut.

I've got a few mint US stamps that I received some 25 years ago as change by mail when dealing via eBay. In those days people either sent a moneyorder or cash in letter, the cents amount was enclosed in mint US stamps. Face value of the stamps is somewhere from $3 to $5.

 

PM me an address (not necessarily your home address), perhaps a P.O.Box or somewhere that you've got access to receive - and I'll send you the lot. It'll easily get through the mail.

 

PS. It's a gift.

pennyless

Camerinvs

I've never heard of a distinction between philatelist and stamp collector. Between numismatist and coin collector yes. I suppose it's kind of the same idea? From my understanding, however, the study of the use of stamp is dealt with by postal historians, many of whom of course also look at letter sending from well before the invention of the postage stamp in 1840.

Well, the difference between a stamp collector and a philatelist is often mostly snobism. A stamp collector just collects stamps where the philatelist is member of an organized collector's club, which is a member of FIP - with a merital system of national and international philatelic exhibitions. Some of these organized collector's are also publishers of specialized literature on their narrow field of philatelic interest.

That's the kind of distinction I expected. I wouldn't qualify as a philatelist since I'm not involved in any organization. My interest in stamps is largely for their historical value (I collect post-1970 stamps only if I get them on an envelope or in a lot with older stamps). I see stamps as on a continuum with other forms of currencies, but after about 1970 many countries started to multiply the number of commemorative issues just for profit on the back of collectors.

 

And what you write to Slipstreamed is one of the main reasons why I consider stamps more interesting as a form of currency than any NCLT coins.

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These are from my last two swaps. Really beautiful. I especially like the astronaut.

Slipstreamed

I was curious if anyone else has noticed stamps not being cancelled when mailing non-machinable envelopes?

 

Also sometimes happens around here (Belgium). Only last week I received a letter from Sweden with unstamped stamps and occasionally also Belgian letters. The Belgian stamps then just get reused … cut them out, glue to a next letter and send them on to the next destination.

Just call me Bram

No new swaps for the moment, still too many half-ongoing swaps to clean up!

Federal crime here in the US though.

BramVB

The Belgian stamps then just get reused … cut them out, glue to a next letter and send them on to the next destination.

Reusing uncancelled postage stamps is an offense everywhere, it's stealing from the till.

 

Vendors from online marketplaces that reuses uncancelled postage stamps gets negative feedback from me. Not only are they not paying for the postal service, they have also kept the money I paid for postage without giving me anything in return. As a stamp collector I don't collect reused postage stamps with gunk of glue or tape etc.

pennyless

Slipstreamed

These are from my last two swaps. Really beautiful. I especially like the astronaut.

I've got a few mint US stamps that I received some 25 years ago as change by mail when dealing via eBay. In those days people either sent a moneyorder or cash in letter, the cents amount was enclosed in mint US stamps. Face value of the stamps is somewhere from $3 to $5.

 

PM me an address (not necessarily your home address), perhaps a P.O.Box or somewhere that you've got access to receive - and I'll send you the lot. It'll easily get through the mail.

 

PS. It's a gift.

Very generous of you and I certainly appreciate it.  Are you sure I can't offer you some coins in return?

Slipstreamed

Very generous of you and I certainly appreciate it.  Are you sure I can't offer you some coins in return?

Quite sure. People of my age tend to get rid of things since there is too much stuff and too little space. I don't collect US stamps and have no use for them anymore. The lot gets in the mail a.s.a.p.

Although I myself am not actively collecting stamps, I keep my late father's collection and occasionally even fill the gaps in it. When I was a kid my favorite passtime was  helping him detach stamps from envelopes, press them dry and sort into albums. I have learned more through this hobby than I learned later in school 🤣.

And the name stamp collectors were given? "International spit collectors".

I’ve been sucked in. It really makes swapping that much more fun when I get envelopes with stamps.

It's a similar story here in the UK. I receive quite a few letters these days with the old commemorative stamps on them, often untouched by Royal Mail.

Resale value of the stamps is so low, more effective to use on postage. Get a lot of 70s & 80s.

 

I've always saved the stamps even though I am not a collector of them. But feels like such a shame to get rid.

Plus the place I buy my banknote holders from is primarily a stamp collectors place. They always include a little pack with every purchase. 🤷‍♂️

 

One of my friend's father is a stamp collector. He's been trying to sell his set (basically a near-complete run of early UK stamps, whole plate runs etc). Largely as he's getting on in years & wants to cash out so his family aren't scammed if they sell after his death.

He reckons it ought to be around the £3k mark IIRC. I think the best offer he's had was £600?

Sad really from a seller's perspective. Great for the few new collectors though! Overabundance of supply.

 I thought in UK the Post Office had introduced their annoying rule that 

these days a stamp is not valid if it does not have a barcode on it. 

 Yes - found this > 

https://www.royalmail.com/sending/barcoded-stamps 

 

Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins

That only applies to the standard issue of stamps ("Definitives" I think is the stamp-y word, but not 100%). 

 

If you read ever so slightly further down your link, “Special Stamps with pictures on & Christmas stamps without a barcode will continue to be valid & don't need to be swapped out”. 😉

 

So all those old commemoratives, totally valid. 🥳

NZ Post has not been cancelling stamps since the 2010s and is trying to phase stamps out as a postal method. If anything letter post other than bulk mailing is almost dead.

 

In 2001, NZ Post handled just over 1 billion pieces of letter mail, which included many utility bills, receipts, cards, letters, packets etc - however with the rise of email, parcels, competitors and online auctions and stores, it declined over the years and prices of postage reflected this. In 2001, it cost 40 cents to mail a letter.

 

By 2024, the volume had dropped to 85 million items of letter mail, nearly all overseas cards, bulk mail (Has permits) and formal documents requiring postage. In 2024 postage was $2.30, its now $2.90 with a planned increase to $3.30 or $3.50 this year. Most companies sending out bills and statements - do so online and charge you money if you want a “paper” statement, so only Mrs Velma Fogerty Adams aged 98 or Gladiola Ethel Flowerbasket born in 1921 would get them now.

 

Anyway nearly all my coin purchases arrive by parcel or tracked bag, neither require anything other than scanning, no stamps and no cancels. The only stamped mail I get now, is newsletters from stamp clubs and the last one went digital this year. They sent me an email saying subs would be $25 with a digital newsletter and $80 with a posted one - I kid you not. You can get special cancels on mail and nearly all stamped mail is philatelic.

 

In Australia, they seldom cancel mail and in Britain, collectors there frequently get angry with biro and sharpie cancellations on collector stamps. It did not help Britain demonitised most of their pre 2022 stamps as well.

 

One of the few times you get mail cancelled is on overseas bound letters if you use stamps (You pay 15% GST on stamps) and they cancel them, just like my recipients in the secret santas!

 

A Collector - Yes I agree, I collected stamps big time between 2007 and 2019 and still dabble now, the pockets for banknotes are also designed for stamp covers and large mini sheets. My favourite pages are Hawid Varios 2 and 3 pockets, but they are hard to get now and the stamp places charge like a wounded bull for them.

I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society

pennyless

Slipstreamed

Very generous of you and I certainly appreciate it.  Are you sure I can't offer you some coins in return?

Quite sure. People of my age tend to get rid of things since there is too much stuff and too little space. I don't collect US stamps and have no use for them anymore. The lot gets in the mail a.s.a.p.

pennyless has apparently closed their numista account and left no return address on their amazing gift.

 

This post (in hopes they may read it) is in serious appreciation.  The amount of beautiful stamps they sent is astounding and I'm so grateful.

I do hope to be able to return the kindness.  If not to them personally, then perhaps to another future beginning stamp collector.

Thank you pennyless!

 

Quite unfortunate that pennyless closed his account. Indeed a very nice gift!

 

Early this week I received these stamps cancelled with a marker:

 

 

I didn't have the two on the right so I'll save them until I find them with real cancellations. They're from 2024 and the other (which I already had) is from 1978.

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All the large envelopes with stamps I get recently are either pen cancelled or not cancelled at all. 

It might be of interest that manuscript cancels have been around for a long time. In some cases can be very helpful in determining when a post office first used a CDS (circular date stamp).

 

In the present case, postal history collectors would have no interest. But 100 years from now, who knows?

That is indeed interesting. I’ve never seen a handmarked cancelation ever myself.

Hand cancels were routine here for local delivery until about 15 years ago.

Alas, that's all gone by the wayside today.

I mean with pens.  I've definitely seen stamps, but yes, it has gone away.

My department sorts the mail (I work at the local city council)  It used to be a 30-60 minute job with 7 or 8 of us working.  We had a big letter opening machine and took a tray of mail each.  It's now a 5-10 minute job for 2 of us, and we open everything by hand.  The vast majority of the letter mail we receive is RTS stuff we have sent out.   That's how much mail volume has dropped.  I guess it's because the council has moved so much to online.  

 

If I want to send a letter, I just cut one of the uncancelled stamps off an envelope and stick it on a new one.  I'm not paying $2.90 to send a letter.  😉

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