Vatican City: Split of km64 [opgelost]

N#2642

The km64.1 and km64.2 have different designs and ought to be split in our catalog. 

See this discussion: https://en.numista.com/forum/topic173477.html

Here is the proof made from my collection

Thank you

Question for @cobrapel 

Usually different lettering is considered a variety, not a new type. Or am i missing some difference in design?

Lettering is arranged a bit differently. I think it could be explained on one page.

Jarcek

Lettering is arranged a bit differently. I think it could be explained on one page.

It is mentioned as “spaced” and “tight” lettering!

I do not see how it is relevant, due to lettering being completely turned upside down where the year is written. It is fully different, not just spaced differently.

Jarcek

I do not see how it is relevant, due to lettering being completely turned upside down where the year is written. It is fully different, not just spaced differently.

Please show me?

Upside down, where?

In one case, lettering is “readable from center, other is ”readable" from the edge.

OK, but that's not the lettering, it's the year, anyway I've changed the graphic, who will make the CR?

Interesting.  

Yes, for KM# 64.1 the obverse legend is continuous and correctly written:  IOANNES XXIII P M AN I 

(giving an upside-down regnal year)

For KM# 64.2 the legend is correctly written as comprising two lines:

IOANNES XXIII P M

AN II

I believe the spacing and where the legend begins is secondary to this.

Would you be willing to modify your figure (well done as always!) which shows this nicely, by:

- correcting the spelling of IOANNES

- Obverse 1 described as “Continuous legend / star at end”

- Obverse 2 described as “Legend on two lines” 

… or something similar.

And removing the yellow box.  (Sorry, because from the other thread I see you already made a bunch of modifications).

I am glad to then insert the graphic when done.

tdziemia

Interesting.  

 

Yes, for KM# 64.1 the obverse legend is continuous and correctly written:  IOANNES XXIII P M AN I 

(giving an upside-down regnal year)

 

For KM# 64.2 the legend is correctly written as comprising two lines:

IOANNES XXIII P M

AN II

 

I believe the spacing and where the legend begins is secondary to this.

 

Would you be willing to modify your figure (well done as always!) which shows this nicely, by:

- correcting the spelling of IOANNES DONE

- Obverse 1 described as “Continuous legend / star at end” Why?

- Obverse 2 described as “Legend on two lines” No two lines!

… or something similar.

 

And removing the yellow box.  (Sorry, because from the other thread I see you already made a bunch of modifications). OK!

 

I am glad to then insert the graphic when done.

Thanks. 

I will insert it like this, but it is 100% clear that KM#64.2 does not have an upside down regnal year.  The regnal year is in exactly the same orientation as the date on the overwhelming majority of moderns coins.

It is KM#64.1 which has the unusual orientation of the regnal year, by using it as a continuaion of the legend.  Of course this is the way it was done on papal coins for hundreds of years, but in most cases it did not wind up with the regnal year below the bust and look odd to our 20th/21st century minds which are used to seeing the date “rightside up” beneath the bust.

🙂

OK … I am using “legend” differently than you, to mean the combination of the ruler's name AND the regnal year.

KM#64.1 “Legend and regnal year continuous”

KM#64.2 “Legend and regnal year on two lines”

We write lines of text from left to right.  One line of text on KM#64.2 is IOANNES XXIII P M.  The other line of text is AN II.  There is no need to explain anything as being upside down when to the observer nothing looks upside down.  .  

And IOHANNES still spelled wrong.

OK, when corrected I will replace it.  

Better now?

Done.