Is this 1968 Jordan Specimen Set original?

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Recently I have found this set for sale online for a very cheap price. Well within of the price of general 1968 uncirculated coins. The set has not arrived yet, so for now I can only provide the pictures made by the seller:

The set itself is incredibly rare, with only 50 being made. And usually its price is in upper hundreds or even thousands of euros.  Which is why I have some doubts about the authenticity. 

Here are the examples of this set I found on the internet:

https://www.cgbfr.com/jordanie-specimen-set-6-pieces-1968-spl,fwo_1086095,a.html

https://www.cgbfr.com/jordanie-specimen-set-6-pieces-1968-spl,fwo_852430,a.html

https://www.sarc.auction/JORDAN-specimen-set-1968-AH1387-Choice-Specimen_i44912190

https://www.ebay.com/itm/317211521802

 

I don't see any obvious signs of it being fake. Coins are obviously original, and after comparing them with photos of uncirculated 1968 coins from the internet, I think they have a slightly better quality. The details are sharper (for example look at the moustache and hair, which have more details), and some have a proof-like appearance. (Or just first strike appearance). They also show an oxidation that is consistent with their age.

 

Nothing particularly stands out in the box design either. It has the same color scheme, the texture of the holder and the box looks similar, fonts seem to be the same (although I am not very good at distinguishing fonts) and the box has an expected wear of a 58 year old box.

The inscription on the inside of the box is not well visible from these pictures, I will upload it, and more pictures when the set arrives.

 

From the first glance I do not see any obvious signs of the box being not genuine, however a very low price I bought it for raises questions. I however have not been able to find any claims on the internet about this set being faked.

 

What do you think? Is this a find of a lifetime or just a nice custom set and a (in this case, likely) not genuine box?

 

(Hope it's the first one)

Is the seller you bought it from reputable?

My guess is that if they’re scamming you they’ll either send something else than what’s on the pictures or nothing at all.

:)

The seller is a large dealer with exclusively positive reviews. They however specialize in bullion and modern Chinese and East Asian coins and medals, but do have some other world coins too. The platform allows for unconditional return and full refund withing 7 or 10 days after receiving, so I don't think he wants to scam me. (plus, scamming for just 14 euros is rather strange)

 

Edit:

Forgot to say that I bought from them before and everything was fine

personally for 14 euros its worth the bet but it is your money :) 

Especially if the item can be easily returned!

:)

jbridger311

personally for 14 euros its worth the bet but it is your money :) 

Did that. Hopefully the bet will pay off:)

 

I will be posting more pictures after the set arrives.

 

A potentially important information, that I did not write previously:

Here, 15-20 Euros is a standard price for a general foreign set in packaging from 1960-70s (non-proof and base metal set). So if the seller didn't know what he had, it is entirely plausible he listed it for that price. Specially if they didn't do a search in English for it or did not consult SCWC. I suppose there isn't much information about it in any other language, besides perhaps Arabic.

The set has arrived today. 

Unfortunately, copper coins are cleaned, which looking on the original pictures is visible now. But before seeing them irl I wouldn't have guessed that. (WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT TO CLEAN THEIR COINS)

Copper-nickel coins do not have typical signs of cleaning. At least those visible under the 30x magnification. As expected the coins do have much sharper design, and a better quality field. Examples of certainly general strike coins:
 

N#3197

https://en.ucoin.net/coin/jordan-25-fils-1968/?ucid=85001412

And here are the pictures of the box:

And textures:

Fonts and inscriptions seem to be the same as in the examples from the internet. Colors and textures as well. The wear of the box seems to be consistent with other sets from the same time, and the box also has that distinct smell that other boxes from the 60s have. Similar to for example this set, that I have in my collection
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/set.php?id=657

 

Also, as you can see, the 10 fils coin has stripe pattern patina which would have developed if the coin spent a long time in the box. Somebody who cleaned them, which likely was the previous owner, from whom the dealer acquired it, hasn't been able to clean it all off.

The set looks authentic to me. Quality of coins and design of the box!

You made a good deal but i would not expect a very high value. A realistic value should be in the range 40-50€, only my opinion.

Yes seems authentic to me also 

Ma9nWaRr10

(WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT TO CLEAN THEIR COINS)

To answer why people clean their coins, it is simply because these people simply want to make their coins look better, although they often forget about permanently damaging the original patina of them, and thus the original value. I know, it is a pain to see some coins cleaned, especially those that are 100+ years old.

 

I do clean coins, but I only clean them if they are mostly worthless coins that have gunk or green corrosion. I never clean any valuable and rarer coins even if they have corrosion, gunk, residue, etc. 

I hear every coin you jingle!

Bad cleaning of a coin ruins its value, good restoration of a coin enhances its value.

 

People who ruin coins by using poor and abrasive cleaning techniques are people who don’t know what they are doing, it is like letting a 10 year old drive a car, bad things will happen!

 

If you have learnt to drive or in this case „clean“ coins, nothing bad will happen. However it is now called „restoration“ not cleaning.

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Bad cleaning of a coin ruins its value, good restoration of a coin enhances its value.

 

People who ruin coins by using poor and abrasive cleaning techniques are people who don’t know what they are doing, it is like letting a 10 year old drive a car, bad things will happen!

 

If you have learnt to drive or in this case „clean“ coins, nothing bad will happen. However it is now called „restoration“ not cleaning.

True; in fact I do use acetone on coins, especially silver coins to remove gunk / corrosion. I guess the cleaning I am talking about that is bad are those cleaning methods that does ruin the coin, just like the examples you provided (abrasive cleaning). 

I hear every coin you jingle!

Stefan0205

The set looks authentic to me. Quality of coins and design of the box!

You made a good deal but i would not expect a very high value. A realistic value should be in the range 40-50€, only my opinion.

jbridger311

Yes seems authentic to me also 

Thank you for your opinions! The unfortunate cleaning on coins is not ideal, but nonetheless a good find. Because of cleaning I will unfortunately not keep it my collection for long. Should I try selling on Katz? Anyone had experiences with it? Or try CGB.fr, since they already sold this set previously, and generally they more often have rare items for sale?

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