Hello, please help me identify this coin. [opgelost]

https://www.facebook.com/reel/967056529466491Coin. Weight 16.01-16.03 grams. Diameter 1.8-2 cm. Width 5 mm. Spectral analysis showed 46.6% Au/51.7% Ag/1.6% Cu/0.06% Pd/0.04% Cd. Photos in daylight, cold and hot light, and a photo of the pits under aCoin. Weight 16.01-16.03 grams. Diameter 1.8-2 cm. Width 5 mm. Spectral analysis showed 46.6% Au/51.7% Ag/1.6% Cu/0.06% Pd/0.04% Cd. Photos in daylight, cold and hot light, and a photo of the pits under a microscope.

On the face of it, it doesnt appear to be a coin at all. No date, no denomination, etc. It looks to be a jewelry piece that was once mounted or set in or on something as evidenced by the square void on the reverse. What it is attempting to depict or represent on the obverse is open to interpretation. Whatever it is its value is in the precious metals assuming your analysis is correct.

Harrykeepthechange

On the face of it, it doesnt appear to be a coin at all. No date, no denomination, etc. It looks to be a jewelry piece that was once mounted or set in or on something as evidenced by the square void on the reverse. What it is attempting to depict or represent on the obverse is open to interpretation. Whatever it is its value is in the precious metals assuming your analysis is correct.

Not at all, it’s probably some sort of electrum stater like this but with a different obverse design;

N#393484 

 Similar - N#391180 

No idea if it is genuine 

Harrykeepthechange

On the face of it, it doesnt appear to be a coin at all. No date, no denomination, etc. It looks to be a jewelry piece that was once mounted or set in or on something as evidenced by the square void on the reverse. What it is attempting to depict or represent on the obverse is open to interpretation. Whatever it is its value is in the precious metals assuming your analysis is correct.

That square on the back is an incuse, quite common on ancient Greek coins. The lack of date and denomination is also normal, ancient coins rarely have those.

This looks like a close match: N#391180, although I can't comment on it if it's real or not.

Update: ZacUK was faster.

It looks quite similar in colour to this example: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/examples.php?id=391180#example_13768

so I could definently believe it to be authentic judging by the parameters and the analysis done.

ZacUK

 Similar - N#391180 

No idea if it is genuine 

I don't know either and I want help.

I stand corrected. Looks too perfect to be a ancient coin to my eye and thought possibly a modern cast replica or copy of something.

Marc16

It looks quite similar in colour to this example: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/examples.php?id=391180#example_13768

so I could definently believe it to be authentic judging by the parameters and the analysis done.

I can't stand it anymore! Many say it's a fake or a souvenir. I want to make sure and ask for help.

Where did you get it? 

It’s a pretty important factor in determining the authenticity.

Please also wait for more opinions as only two are not enough to fully determine if the coin is real or not.

Marc16

It looks quite similar in colour to this example: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/examples.php?id=391180#example_13768

so I could definently believe it to be authentic judging by the parameters and the analysis done.

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Marc16

Where did you get it? 

It’s a pretty important factor in determining the authenticity.

Please also wait for more opinions as only two are not enough to fully determine if the coin is real or not.

I understand that if I'd found it in the ground, I wouldn't have any questions. It was inherited. But the deposits in the ulcers are so thick that it's simply hard to imagine that this is a modern forgery! These sentences are non-luminescent, and there isn't a single coin in them.

Patience is virtue and free. If you are in a hurry, pay somebody to positively identify it, authenticate it, and guarantee it.

MeroVing

Marc16

Where did you get it? 

It’s a pretty important factor in determining the authenticity.

Please also wait for more opinions as only two are not enough to fully determine if the coin is real or not.

I understand that if I'd found it in the ground, I wouldn't have any questions. It was inherited. But the deposits in the ulcers are so thick that it's simply hard to imagine that this is a modern forgery! These sentences are non-luminescent, and there isn't a single coin in them.

Just because I’m not giving answers doesn’t mean I’m not trying to help you.

YOU have to help us help you by giving us information about the coin.

That being said if you don’t appreciate the time and effort people here put in to help you (for free), you should listen to @Harrykeepthechange and pay someone to authenticate the coin.

Marc16

MeroVing

Marc16

Where did you get it? 

It’s a pretty important factor in determining the authenticity.

Please also wait for more opinions as only two are not enough to fully determine if the coin is real or not.

I understand that if I'd found it in the ground, I wouldn't have any questions. It was inherited. But the deposits in the ulcers are so thick that it's simply hard to imagine that this is a modern forgery! These sentences are non-luminescent, and there isn't a single coin in them.

Just because I’m not giving answers doesn’t mean I’m not trying to help you.

YOU have to help us help you by giving us information about the coin.

That being said if you don’t appreciate the time and effort people here put in to help you (for free), you should listen to @Harrykeepthechange and pay someone to authenticate the coin.

I'll give you any information, photos, and that's it! The coin was safe in a box; I don't know how long it was there, and where it came from is unknown. But it's definitely not stolen! I don't know who to turn to for help!

Marc16

MeroVing

Marc16

Where did you get it? 

It’s a pretty important factor in determining the authenticity.

Please also wait for more opinions as only two are not enough to fully determine if the coin is real or not.

I understand that if I'd found it in the ground, I wouldn't have any questions. It was inherited. But the deposits in the ulcers are so thick that it's simply hard to imagine that this is a modern forgery! These sentences are non-luminescent, and there isn't a single coin in them.

Just because I’m not giving answers doesn’t mean I’m not trying to help you.

YOU have to help us help you by giving us information about the coin.

That being said if you don’t appreciate the time and effort people here put in to help you (for free), you should listen to @Harrykeepthechange and pay someone to authenticate the coin.

I bought it from a guy and he told me it was a family heirloom.

Very interesting.  There are two sales on the coin page, one for US $33,600 and the other for $96,350. Can we ask what you bought this heirloom for?

Few of us here are extremely well versed in early electrum coins. The metal component ratios for electrum can vary, since it's natural gold alloy. Kudos for being able to post the ratios! There are a couple of design variations I can spot from the high priced examples that have sold. Your color seems to be distinctly more silver colored and the rear helmet curvature (or ears, or straps) are missing on yours, and the eyes and lips are a bit different. It doesn't scream fake (to me, but I've been fooled). I'd say, considering the extreme value and mysterious origin, that it's worth pursuing. I'd find an auction house (Heritage, Stack's Bowers, etc in the US, if that's where you are) and submit it for auction. Unless you are a high end collector, and have to have it, it's too valuable and historically significant to keep it and hand it down. It will end up in your situation, acquired from someone who doesn't know what it is, or what it's potentially worth. I've looked at tens of thousands of ancient Greek coins and don't recall seeing a helmet in that orientation. Find an auction house, or several, submit the pictures and other particulars, and ask them to have it authenticated. Then auction it. If it works to your favor you'll have the luckiest numismatic purchase I've EVER heard of. Gook Luck! 

rsirian1

Very interesting.  There are two sales on the coin page, one for US $33,600 and the other for $96,350. Can we ask what you bought this heirloom                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              10000

Juno Moneta

Few of us here are extremely well versed in early electrum coins. The metal component ratios for electrum can vary, since it's natural gold alloy. Kudos for being able to post the ratios! There are a couple of design variations I can spot from the high priced examples that have sold. Your color seems to be distinctly more silver colored and the rear helmet curvature (or ears, or straps) are missing on yours, and the eyes and lips are a bit different. It doesn't scream fake (to me, but I've been fooled). I'd say, considering the extreme value and mysterious origin, that it's worth pursuing. I'd find an auction house (Heritage, Stack's Bowers, etc in the US, if that's where you are) and submit it for auction. Unless you are a high end collector, and have to have it, it's too valuable and historically significant to keep it and hand it down. It will end up in your situation, acquired from someone who doesn't know what it is, or what it's potentially worth. I've looked at tens of thousands of ancient Greek coins and don't recall seeing a helmet in that orientation. Find an auction house, or several, submit the pictures and other particulars, and ask them to have it authenticated. Then auction it. If it works to your favor you'll have the luckiest numismatic purchase I've EVER heard of. Gook Luck! 

Thank you! With respect

MeroVing

rsirian1

Very interesting.  There are two sales on the coin page, one for US $33,600 and the other for $96,350. Can we ask what you bought this heirloom                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              10000$

As pointed out by Juno Moneta, there are multiple design differences evident with this coin compared to the (few) examples which can be easily found and which are assembled in the composite image below:

Referring to the red outlining drawn on the OPs coin:

- the aspect ratio (width to height of the main device) is different

- the eye shape is different, and the length of Athena's nose is quite unflattering

- the protrusions at each side of the face are missing

- the shape of the ear flaps is different.

But none of us are trained to say with certainty (at least I am not), so if you invested $10K, you should take it to a grading service or auction house as suggested.

Especially if that is refundable.

Last but not least, many of us have heard that “family heirloom” story MANY times.  Next time, walk away if you hear that.

tdziemia

As pointed out by Juno Moneta, there are multiple design differences evident with this coin compared to the (few) examples which can be easily found and which are assembled in the composite image below:

Referring to the red outlining drawn on the OPs coin:

- the aspect ratio (width to height of the main device) is different

- the eye shape is different, and the length of Athena's nose is quite unflattering

- the protrusions at each side of the face are missing

- the shape of the ear flaps is different.

 

But none of us are trained to say with certainty (at least I am not), so if you invested $10K, you should take it to a grading service or auction house as suggested.

Especially if that is refundable.

 

Last but not least, many of us have heard that “family heirloom” story MANY times.  Next time, walk away if you hear that.

 

 

Thank you! Best regards! Could you tell me what kind of expertise is best? We have some, like metal age. Attribution, but I understand you just did it. Or authentication?

For authentication, you can go to a grading service like NGC https://www.ngccoin.com/ or PCGS  https://www.pcgs.com/.  There will be a fee which is proportional to the estimated value of fthe coin.

Alternatively, as suggested by others, you can contact an auction house that sells ancient coins, provide photos, and ask them to sell the coin on your behalf.  If it is a fake they will tell you.  As you see, Heritage, Numismatica Ars, Naumann have sold this type.  Leu Numismatic is also well known.  If their experts are able to tell from a photo, then this would be the easiest (and faster) approach.

Good luck.  

Спасибо большое tdziemia

For authentication, you can go to a grading service like NGC https://www.ngccoin.com/ or PCGS  https://www.pcgs.com/.  There will be a fee which is proportional to the estimated value of fthe coin.

 

Alternatively, as suggested by others, you can contact an auction house that sells ancient coins, provide photos, and ask them to sell the coin on your behalf.  If it is a fake they will tell you.  As you see, Heritage, Numismatica Ars, Naumann have sold this type.  Leu Numismatic is also well known.  If their experts are able to tell from a photo, then this would be the easiest (and faster) approach.

 

Good luck.  

Thank you very much! You have been very helpful! Best regards