Serbia 50 para Peter I 1915

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?r=&c=&cc=y&cn=y&cj=y&ce=y&cu=y&cat=y&mode=avance&p=1&e=serbie&d=&km=&i=&v=50&m=&a=1915&t=&dg=&w=&g=

According to my Krause there are 5 variations
My coin has coin die alignment and designer's name, so only 24.3 and 24.5 are possible.
A1915 or 1915(a)
my coin is XF, no A visible, just Paris mintmarks > 1915(a) = 24.5
This option is not in Numista catalog
Why is there no value indication in Krause for this coin ? Only : - - - - -  ???
Or here : http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/world-coin-prices.aspx?category=109767&worldcoinid=283991&FromSearch=true
At least it has some silver value, I think...

What's your opinion ?

Tony

Hi!
Numista is very wrong with those Serbian coins. Krause is right. I have them all and that is 5 different pieces as Krause says.I want to fix the problems but I don't have much time to do that. The same problem is with all others Serbian coins from 1915. So, I recomended to trust Krause and NGC.
Regards

Thanks !
Could you give me an estimate on value ?


Tony

Citeer: tony.cThanks !
Could you give me an estimate on value ?


Tony

No problem. I am referee for Croatia but also know a lot of things about Serbian and Yugoslavian coins.
I don't think it is worth much because it is not a normal coin. But as I have told You before I collect all different varieties of Serbian coins so if You want to swap that coin, I will be very, very happy.
You can PM me.

What do you mean when you say it's not a normal coin ? I thought it was a regular circulation coin ?

Citeer: tony.cWhat do you mean when you say it's not a normal coin ? I thought it was a regular circulation coin ?

Well it is normal circulation coin but I wanted to say that it is not so often to find.
Do You want to swap it?

I'm sorry, it's not available for swap.  
But I'd like to know what it's worth, because Krause gives no value indication at all  

This one's been listed on ebay for $20 since July, so that may give you and idea of the high value range.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1915-SERBIA-50-Para-KM24-5-a-privy-mark-only-Coin-Alignment-Designer-Signature-/190868308502?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item2c70a34216

The seller says XF, but yours is definitely nicer.

Thank you Chrismck.

50 para dated 1915 was minted in 2 variations:
with engraver signature "SCHWARTZ" below the head-12 137 928 pieces;XF-5 E;UNC-10 E
without signature-1 862 072 pieces; XF-25 E,UNC-35 E
source:
  -Coins and banknotes of Yugoslavia,Slovenia,Croatia,Bosnia and Herzegovina,Serbia,Montenegro and Macedonia 2nd edition 2011

Kuna.. what are you up to? At first you say it's not normal coin, so probably not worth much and then you say it is a circulation coin, but more rare. That does make it worth more than others that have higher mintage, doesn't it?
Trying to get someone to swap for much lesser value?
Didn't smell nice.

Citeer: KartWayKuna.. what are you up to? At first you say it's not normal coin, so probably not worth much and then you say it is a circulation coin, but more rare. That does make it worth more than others that have higher mintage, doesn't it?
Trying to get someone to swap for much lesser value?
Didn't smell nice.

No. Sorry, it shouldn't look like that. My point was that this variety is not normal coin because they made a mistake while doing this coin. Now there are 5 varieties but in original there are destine only 2 different varieties. At all, this is today normal coin, but also rare one. Tony has the rarer one which is produced as an error but today, the error is so often (few millions pieces or even more) that it doesn't count as an error.
Today nobody is sure, and will never be, how many pieces exist from every variety because in 1915 nobody has noticed the BIG mistake.That is why NGC doesn't have the prices for some varieties of this coin. Also I wanted to swap this coin because this coin is in AU or UNC condition and mine is in XF, so I wanted to upgrade my collection. I didn't want to get the coin for less value because I said on my profile (You can take a look!) I do swaps based on catalogue value and if this coin is UNC, I will offer him the price for UNC condition, but it will be hard to reach the right price of the coin cause of many varieties. Probably, You are right that coins with lower mintage should worth more, but now, at this moment and in the future, it would be impossible to reach right mintage and right value of each variety.
Sorry once again, if that looked like fraud.
Regards
Kuna

I get it, thanks for explanation, makes sense now, haha. Yea it did look at first glance like...whooot

@ kuna & kartway :
First response from Kuna did seem a bit strange, but then I thought maybe Kuna isn't writing in the language he speaks everyday (like I am doing), so sometimes misunderstanding happens because we don't know or use the right words. Therefore I didn't react on it.
I still have faith in people, especially people on Numista, and the occasional bad person is tracked here fast enough. I don't think frauds are allowed on Numista team (or I do hope so !).

Greetings

Tony

Hello all,

today I got a 50 Para 1915, without designer name, and coin alignment. Is this a rare variety? I see Krause doesn't have prices on this exact variety. KM#24.4

Citeer: lidianbHello all,

today I got a 50 Para 1915, without designer name, and coin alignment. Is this a rare variety? I see Krause doesn't have prices on this exact variety. KM#24.4

No. None of the varieties are rare. You should read my last message.    Everything would be clear. I think...
Regards
Kuna

This is the way coins should be listed on page when someone gets time to correct.

1904 KM#24.1 (medal alignment; with designer's name) Proof
1904 1,400,081 KM# 24.1 (medal alignment; with designer's name)
1912 800,000 KM# 24.1 (medial alignment; with designer's name)
1915 12,137,928 KM# 24.1 (medal alignment; with designer's name; Paris Mint, with privy mark only)
1915 1,862,071 KM# 24.2 (medal alignment; without designer's name)
1915 KM# 24.3 (coin alignment; with designer's name)
1915 KM# 24.4 (coin alignment; without designer's name)
1915 KM# 24.5 (coin alignment; with designer's name; Paris Mint, with privy mark only)