Fake? My best swap at NUMISTA !

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hello, dear all.  A few months ago I had a swap with Numista` member, and I  thought  this is one of my best swap ever....  Yeah, sad story, because now I have a  feeling that I was cheated.

I received  Algerian 2 Budju.  its perfect from both sides, at least on photos, but  the edge is too suspicious.   The edge says for me " Hello, Im fake, and you  are donkey !"  

What do you think about it?   Is it normal edge for  this coin ?  is it normal reeding ?

I think - no.   For this coin, +  Egypt 20 para of Abdul Aziz and French   token/ medal of  African exhibition I sent to this member 6 big  silver crown size Egyptian coins  (  Nasser  and UAR period) , and  one  russian  silver small size coin  of 1922.

If this coin is fake, - member should know about it, because there was a printed description  on the holder: " Algeria 2 Budhu, Ottoman, Argent. 19,1 g "   It means that member  examined this coin.  And he knw all about it !

Yes, perhaps Im donkey, who didnot  loked closer this piece, but, anyway, - it doesnot mean  that the member of Numista  society  now is free  from any  answers...

 I really, really hope that this  is not fake, and this type of edge is normal for  this coin, but  in the same time  I dont trust in my words...








I think it's fake.
Edge is too straight for an old coin, and the reedings are too amateur.
I have seen a little movie how these reedings are made.
The date on the coin is AH1238 (1822AD)
Here is a similar coin. I think the reeding looks the same.
Try to find out if it is silver. There are many test you can perform yourself (search this site)
https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=528&lot=300
Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
Petrus, you spend more time promoting other sites than this one.

There are many silver tests mentioned on here. Which I am sure David is aware of.
it doesnot leave gray/black trace on  paper or hand

It has  a low-quality  silver voice on voice test.  

I hve 1/4 Budju, and 1 Budju, and both have normal reeding, on whole edge,  all reeds ar parallel,same distance from each other,  and poerpendicular  to edge.  If someon know  more about  2 Budju coin, - probably   for 2 Budju coin its normal to have so strange reeding?  Maybe..
my 1/4 and 1 Budju coins have reeds like this.




Ben,  silver  doesnot  say that coin is not fake.  70-80 % of fake Rissian  Empire coins are made  of silver as well,  but they are fakes.

My main question aboud edge technology: -  What members think about this edge?  Is it normal for  2 Budju coin of that period or not?  Both surfaces are not looks like  fake, but edge is too suspicious.

thanks,
 best regards
David
Don't worry, Dato. I checked my 2 Budju and 1 Budju of the type, both in very high grades, and their rims are similarly poorly done. Even smaller denominations, which should be easier to make, also have edges with poorly done rims.  
Congratulation on the swap!
I collect coins and tokens which circulated in Africa from 18th century to 2000. I sell about 7000 illustrated world coins from http://www.avscoins.com.
Stop saying it's not fake guys  :|
Check before you comment!.

Check here a picture of the real coin.
Notice the huge difference in characters, your coin is definitely fake.
Not to mention the edge which is a joke.
The color is also a big giveaway.

Image is from the Fitzwilliam Museum
The picture of the coin from Stephen Album has the same problem with the edge. You can see the reeding on the obverse, but hardly on the reverse, because the reeding is off to one side of the coin, like on David's coin. There are very few living English speakers who know more about Islamic coins than Stephen Album, so the coin he sells is undoubtedly original. Album's coin also has irregularity of reeding at the rim at 12 o'clock visible from obverse.
We should keep in mind that Ottoman mints in Africa in the first quarter of the 19th century were not of the same quality as those in Berlin or Vienna.
I'm sure that we all have seen many fakes of the last 20 years with much better fake reeding than on this Algerian coin. If overall design, weight, size, surface and metal do not raise doubts, then the edge should not make David loose sleep over it.  

To kommodore:
If you posses a 2 Budju coin with a perfectly reeded rim, kindly let us see it.   
I collect coins and tokens which circulated in Africa from 18th century to 2000. I sell about 7000 illustrated world coins from http://www.avscoins.com.
The knurled side on coins, was used to avoid shearing coins. Subsequently appeared well on the edge of the writing, initially in relief and then in incuse, practice still in use today on the 2 euro.
The knurled side, through process knurling, was introduced for this, but we take into account as a time is not a procedure for easy implementation. Newton also introduced to make it more difficult to falsify.
For example the money Republicans tightened.
Although it is not a true "knurling", this could be the first example of processing of the board to avoid shearing.
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serrato

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