US nova constellatio to grade [opgelost]

Hello,


Could you please help me grade and value this coin? I would say it's VF but not so sure about it.Thanks

I would say F

I agree.

I have the same coin in Fine and I've had the grade confirmed by a couple of fellers who know much more about colonial copper than I do. I asked for second opinions because I'm not familiar with grading standards of coins outside of my own little world. (See the post on grading by Mark in the Numismatic Questions Forum). I would have been happy to be told it was only VG, confused if it was VF, such is the nature of these admittedly fascinating coins.

I have to say that your looks noticeably better, the only bit of extraordinary wear is inside the wreath. The rest of it looks absolutely VF especially given the rather crude striking processes at the time.

More VF than F I'd say based only on comparing it with my more humble example.

that's true, the detail is vf-ef but it's worn from the middle which makes it f unless it's just badly minted?
I wouldn't be surprised if it was badly minted because us colonial coins were not the top quality.

I have the same issue with Canadian coins, large cents and silver issues. It down to bad design in that case especially as that's where the date is! I have some really beautiful Victorian silver in great condition just sitting in my junk silver box because the dates have vanished.

I'd like to hear from Canadian collectors on how they deal with the wreath wearing so far in advance of the rest of the coin when grading as that might give some pointers for the colonial coin being discussed.

Here's my specimen, I have it listed for sale/swap as VG grade, although I'm assured it's Fine, to avoid any arguments -



I'm not sure if this helps of hinders the debate.

Here's mine :

It was sold to me as a VG. I actually find it quite good-looking for a VG. I bought it in Quebec.

I agree Ms Ginger. Looks F even by later / modern standards. Ah well, their loss your gain I reckon.

What are your thoughts on how to grade older Canadian coins with the same wreath wear issue? Should it be ignored and the coin graded on it's overall condition?

At the same store, last week, I bought a nice-looking oldie labelled as a roman coin. But it's a greek coin ! The strange thing is that nobody is able to tell what coin it is exactly. It has a reverse very much like a tretradrachm, but the coin's copper or bronze. Anyway I paid 9,99 $ CAD. I am not always the winner with them, though. They once sold me an evasion token labelled as a US colonial coin ! I was so disappointed... As for the wreath, I believe it should be ignored only if it is weakly/poorly struck, as a weak strike is not to be taken into account when a grade is assigned. Otherwise, I believe it should be one of the first things to look at when you grade a coin. I do some spare grading for another boutique when I have time, and I always look at the wreath to help myself find the right grade, wherever the coin comes from. Many have a lot of fine details that if you overlook, you'll miss the target.

Hello coins lovers!


I'm sorry to come back that late, but well sometimes it's good to take your time. :)

I just would like to say thank you to everybody for your help, such kind of coins are sometimes so hard to grade it's great to have a bunch of various opinions!

I forget to say I didn't buy the coin because it was really overpriced (IMHO) at nearly 400€ / 433 US dollars.

Thanks again!