Why should Austria be reunited? [opgelost]

As you probably know by now, Austria has been split into two countries: Austria and Austria - Hapsburg. I set up a poll on what should be done (reunify Austria, keep Austria as is, or split it into three countries) and some members commented that they want to hear the cases for both sides presented more fully, so here I go with my side: reuniting Austria.

Point #1: Ease of Use

Imagine you are a novice collector and you stumble upon this coin. Good luck finding out that it is Austrian, but let's say you do. You see the Numista catalog and you find the country called "Austria", and click on it to search for your coin. In the denomination field you put '1' and in the year field you put, let's say, '1914'. You hit search, and... no results!! Imagine your frustration when you are told it is actually from the strange country called "Austria - Hapsburg"!

Point #2: Numismatic Consistency

Once you separate one country for the heck of it, you think, why not separate more? Aside from the fact that all occupation coinage and the like will get there own countries, think about what message is sent out: it is okay to name countries using family name. What kind of countries will we have pretty soon? United States - Obama or Libya - Gaddafi?! Plus, this sets the stage for more ridiculous countries that are not jokes. Some examples (there are many many more - in fact the number of countries in the catalog would probably triple at least if we went down this route): Mexico - War of Independence, Bulgaria, Kingdom, France - First Empire.

Point #3: The Hapsburg Connection

It is well known that many Austrians today associate with the Hapsburg monarchy. Yes, you can dispute this, but you can't dispute that a large number of modern Austrian commemorative coins celebrate its imperial past. This coin is one of my favorites, but there are many, many more. The Austrians love their Hapsburg heritage, and are not afraid to remember the past.

Point #4: The Maria Theresa Thaler and Franz Joseph Restrikes

The famed Maria Theresa Thaler, and the Franz Joseph I 1 Ducat and 4 Ducat and 10 Corona restrikes constitute a valid argument by themselves. When they were first produced, the Hapsburgs were still in power. Yet they are still restruck - yes, that's right: these three coins are still being produced in the 21st century! If you want to buy them, directly from the Austrian mint, just click here, here, here, and here respectively. If you had to classify these coins, it could only be classified under a united Austria. Imagine how confused even an experienced numismatist would be after they bought one these coins from the Austria mint and tried to find it in the Numista catalog!

Point #5: Pre-Hapsburg Austrian Coinage

However much you want to deny their existence, there ARE pre-Hapsburg Austrian coins (which are not in the Numista catalog). We obviousuly can't put them under modern Austria, and putting them under Austria - Hapsburg would be completely incorrect. Don't believe me? See this PDF!

How many threads do you need to make on the exact same subject? Four? Five? Six?

This debacle is getting worse by the day, and when I say "worse" I don't mean "more urgent".

Citeer: "pnightingale"...​I think both sides need to present their case more fully and have it subject to (polite) questioning...
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And you can't have the pre-Habsburg coins to be Austria - Babenberg for the following reason:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces12458.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces33405.html

Someone should ask all of the Austrian members of Numista what THEY think about this change!

How many here are Austrian?

(I don't mean 1/2 or 1/4 or even 1/15th Austrian, that's like guys from Jersey saying they are Italian...no, just ..No)

My Response would be....

Point 1 - I would like to know exactly where the coin I search for is directly linked to, if that means doing a little research outside of numista then so be it, that way I learn even more.

Point 2 - Is there a point in there or is it senseless ranting about "might as well do it to other countries....whats next?????????" type of ranting.?

Point 3 - while you may think everyone is born with that knowledge, I can assure you it is not common rule, especially if you are a novice collector. Point three contradicts point 1.

Point 4 - back to the novice point again...make your mind up! if anyone were to buy the coin now from the mint they would surely have the understanding behind its origin and age.? then they can have the fun of researching with an open mind.

Point 5 - Again, a novice collector would not need to know all that until they get their training wheels off, even at that point the collector would need the strong interest in Austrian coins to need to know point #5 (which again is contradicting the novice reasoning).

I never get all my research from a single site or location, I research through many different informative sites, not just religiously numista.com

Nalaberong is right, this is getting tiresome especially as your points still have no consistency in their reasoning and all point to being vocally upset with something you don't like. There may well be others who agree but this isn't the way to do it, I fear your bridges have already been burned due to the manner you have projected your dislike about recent changes.

The only actual issue I can see is disgruntled members objecting a change made, why not just stick to that? you don't need to go in depth WHY you don't like the changes, it sounds like ranting.

Just stick to the Issue which is the change, don't make a "Case", ask other members what they think and you will get your answer from the majority. Like the poll you made which seemed a little less in your objection than you must have expected. If you feel it is incorrect then you can simply refuse to commit any more of your time as a referee or contributor. Volunteer is the key word here, that's why you don't get the choice to demand things your way, even if that is tough to swallow.

In 6 months time all this would be forgotten, regardless if it gets changed back or not.

Fluke - the novice and advanced collector points don't contradict each other, the compelment each other. On Numista there is room for both kinds of collectors so we should make sure to complement them both.

It seems like there is now discussion about how to standardize splitting up of countries, so I'm marking this thread solved.

One more thing:
The Austrian mint itself implies that Austria is meant to be unified! They made the 1000 years of Austria coins, which make it seem like even the Mint things it is one country, though time...

Sorry about poor post quality, it's late and I was in a bit of a hurry.