Great Britain: 1 penny 1946, km845, lines

Hi,

another find of AllRed1950

The top one is a double Exergue, specified on the 1940 Penny as a rare type.

Great info for any collector!

Citeer: "Sjoelund"​Hi,
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​another find of AllRed1950
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​Daryl truly is our Penny Guru!

Hey Fluke can you please gave me more information on :double Exergue" Thank you.

Hi,

I found this definition on the web (exergue):

"the space below the device on a coin or medal, sometimes separated from the field by a line. "

and here is an image showing the double exergue (the lower coin)



Ole

Thank you Ole. I have others with that should I get them back out.

Hi,

if I understood Fluke correctly, then the 1940 double exergue is rare. Although he might have meant that the double exergue on this type as a whole, are rare coins?

Anyway, then the double, waved exergue must be even rarer..... when back in Paris in around 7 weeks time I'll check mine!

Ole

In my 2009 book of UK pre-decimal coins, it is only the 1940 that has the double exergue ...


with a Freeman catalogue 227 reference; and just below it also is mentioned (Freeman 229) unconfirmed sightings of 1944 Penny with waves going into the exergue; and also some 1945 Pennies have a doubled 9 in the date. Would like to see some of those.

Citeer: "Fluke"​The top one is a double Exergue, specified on the 1940 Penny as a rare type.
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​Great info for any collector!

​I Fluke. I believe it is the 1940 single exergue that is scarce

Here is Michael Gouby's description of how to tell the difference.

Try turning the coin 90% - looking along the line -
The Single is a thin line - with a thick ridge mound above
and the waves merge into the top of the mound
whereas
The Double is a thin line - with a thin ridge mound above
and the waves sit above the top of the mound

Hi ZacUk,

so the documentation you have, will obviously have to be changed thanks to the findings of AllRed1950, do you know the authors? Can you contact them? Will they accept the proof given in our documentation?

Ole

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic21938.html#p175723

It is the 2009 book on the left on that reply. The author's site is http://predecimal.com I think, and the book is published by http://rotographic.com in the UK. Maybe as it is six years old it has already been updated in the meantime. I have not bought a more recent book, as I did not get that one for the values, more for the information, such as that shown above for example.

Muy, you are correct....my mistake.

I have the 2015 version of that book Zac and the images still look the same ones used in my book...cheapskates..

This double exergue is very interesting. I just pull the one with wavy lines. with it is a 1946 with two lines straight. And a 1940 with the two lines and a 1945. And I think a 1963 with it just above date. God I need to work on updating my microscope , Mine does not work with window 8. I miss putting up images.

Hey, anyone have anything on 1905, the 5 with a ball on the end. I think I have one where the 5 is thick all the way to the ball. I have to ran. Did not sleep much and have to go to work in 3 hours. I have been like a little kid all day. Thank you Fluke. It like X-mas. Wanted to stay up all night and look at my new dream coin.

You are most welcome Daryl, pleased to see it safely got to you.

Nothing I know of like that for the 1905, the catalogue has come up with one of the strangest yet pointless observations for the 1905 which reads as...

"1905 FMAN 160 and 161 Either have the upright part of the 'E' in PENNY pointing at a rim bead or at a gap"

I find that one odd, of course it will be pointing at one of them, doesn't every coin?

The only other I know about with the 1905 is this from coins of the UK

"There are also two reverses for 1905, the first as for 1904 with the upright of the E almost parallel with that of the P in PENNY, and the second as for 1906 with the E more parallel with the N."

F160 E points to gap, F161 E points to tooth