George VI ND1 two shilling (florin)

Could anyone tell me why we have a listing for the above mentioned coin please and what the ND1 stands for.
Thanks in advance.

Tony, my assumption is you're referring to this one, right? I have no answer though.

Citeer: "smoked_caramel"​Tony, my assumption is you're referring to this one, right? I have no answer though.

​Yes that is the one I'm on about. I have several books including one that mentions most of the error coins but nothing about this one.

According to NGC, the mintage indicated for ND1 entry corresponds to year 1939 while the mintage listed on Numista for 1939 is different and does not line up with the rest of mintages being even 1000s.

Hi Tony,
With it being listed next to the 1937 issue could it possibly be " new denomination " ?
The Florin became 2 shillings, using the Roy Walker school of thinking I thought I would " say what I see "
Slap me and call me a numpty if you like Tony, I couldn't think what else it could be.

Hi Tony, I spotted this the other day when I was going through and adding some Spink references. Someone has added a line for "No Date", presumably for coins that are so worn they can't identify the date (!) and because there are over 200 members who have selected this line in their collection it is going to be really hard to get rid of it.

Yes, if you hover over the ND! it actually has a pop up box that says "no date"

ND = New Design. which is from 1937.

Someone has put it in wrong by naming it No Date. I remember this popping up before as I have this coin, thought it would have been changed by now along with the normal 1937 row, should be 1937ND, not separate.

Citeer: "Fluke"​ND = New Design. which is from 1937.
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​Someone has put it in wrong by naming it No Date. I remember this popping up before as I have this coin, thought it would have been changed by now along with the normal 1937 row, should be 1937ND, not separate.

​Sorry Fluke but I don't quite understand, are you able to elaborate some more, perhaps with some reference?

Bad news, I think something's gone awry with the database.

Looking at the catalogue page https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces3609.html, I have the ND1 coin.
Which I thought was strange.
So I checked my spreadsheet, I have it listed as 1939.
Looking at an old export from November 2015, I have the 1939.
Exporting just now, my KM#855 is listed as "unknown 1".

Also, looking at the mintage numbers for 1939 on https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/great-britain-florin-two-shillings-km-855-1937-1946-cuid-42731-duid-123170
It's the same mintage numbers for 1939 as there are for this ND1 entry.

Could it be that someone's tried to amend the mintage figures to exactly 20,850,607 rather than the rounded 20,851,000? And it's gone wrong. The amendment must have been made after 30/11/2015, because of my last export.

Citeer: "BizzoDoes"​Bad news, I think something's gone awry with the database.
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​Looking at the catalogue page https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces3609.html, I have the ND1 coin.
​Which I thought was strange.
​So I checked my spreadsheet, I have it listed as 1939.
​Looking at an old export from November 2015, I have the 1939.
​Exporting just now, my KM#855 is listed as "unknown 1".
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​Also, looking at the mintage numbers for 1939 on https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/great-britain-florin-two-shillings-km-855-1937-1946-cuid-42731-duid-123170
​It's the same mintage numbers for 1939 as there are for this ND1 entry.
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​Could it be that someone's tried to amend the mintage figures to exactly 20,850,607 rather than the rounded 20,851,000? And it's gone wrong. The amendment must have been made after 30/11/2015, because of my last export.
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​I think you might have something there. Looking at my view of the listing, I can see that there are only 27 members shown as having the 1939, which doesn't sound right. I wonder if that is 27 members that have added the 1939 since this erroneous alteration was made (possibly since 30/11/15?) Mark and I don't have permission to delete lines that members have selected so we would have to get catalogue admin assistance but I wonder if we should combine these 2 lines into 1939 and get rid of this silly ND1 line - what do people think?

To make our catalog as best as can be, we of course have to get rid of silly year lines like this one. The problem is that so many members have selected this line (how many are that?), so just deleting is no option. We have to be sure that all those members initially added the 1939 line in stead of the silly line where there are now. Sending all those members a message is of course a bit silly too, but I would write a message to a certain amount of them an ask to check this type. If they all answer the ND1 line is filled now in stead of the 1939, then you can assume that is so for all the members in the ND1 line and then you can combine this line with the 1939 line.
Doesn't Numista have a back-up system, where they can check how it was some time in the past, preferably before 30/11/2015?

That's the problem with adding lines into any live databases especially if an identifier is amended.
We can't delete either line as one group of people will lose data. But as far as I'm concerned, my export which is dated 30/11/2015 shows this:


And an export from today now shows this:


I haven't made any changes to my data.
So maybe both year entries do need to be merged.

And maybe a change to the data entry page, whereby static data, like the year, can't be changed if people have entries in that record?Changing mintage figures of an existing record doesn't affect the record, but changing the year does.

I totally agree to get rid of this line, simply because before it was introduced I did not have it, then suddenly I do plus 2 swaps, so I have now had to go through my collection and amend all coins corresponding with this km#.
please delete it.