Old Spanish Maravedis?

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Can someone help me identify these 2:
Any help?
on one coin the date looks like 165x
Hello, the first coin with 165(5?) seems to have countermarked "IIII" or "VIII", and the second one has these two countermarks: "VI" and "IIII".
You can find more info about these coins here:
http://maravedis.net/felipe4.html
http://maravedis.net/resellos.html

Nicola

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