Help me to identify this coin!

Hello!

I'm trying to identify this coin:

Obverse:

• Crowned porta, stars at sides, date below; double circle with perls around the porta.
  
• Lettering: "DVX * ET * GVB * REIP * GEN"
  
• the date is a bit scratched, but looks like "1494" (first two digits are almost unreadable)
  

Reverse:

• Cross with stars in each angle.
  
• Lettering: "+CONRADVS * II * RO * REX * I * V *"
  

Weight is about 34 g; diameter is about 40mm.

Material is very dark; maybe it could be silver. According to me, it could look like a "Scudo" issued by Genua (italy), like the one represented at:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces21453.html

Unfortunately, the date seems not to agree with the period (but maybe I'm wrong!).

To me, it seems very similar to the one depicted in the "Corpus nummorum italicorum, vol III, Liguria", http://www.numismaticadellostato.it/web/pns/iuno-moneta/biblioteca/corpus?p_p_id=CNI_WAR_FSIA6_Numismatica10_INSTANCE_H8fC&p_p_lifecycle=1&p_p_state=normal&p_p_mode=view&p_p_col_id=column-1&p_p_col_count=1&_CNI_WAR_FSIA6_Numismatica10_INSTANCE_H8fC_actionName=cniPDF&_CNI_WAR_FSIA6_Numismatica10_INSTANCE_H8fC_volCni=III&_CNI_WAR_FSIA6_Numismatica10_INSTANCE_H8fC_numPage=1&_CNI_WAR_FSIA6_Numismatica10_INSTANCE_H8fC_javax.portlet.action=invoke


(TAV XII, 1)

but again, the date seems not to be compatible.

Any suggestions?
Thanks!

Welcome to the forum.
Probably the date on your coin is 1594 .

There is similar listed halfway down this page ...
http://www.rhinocoins.com/ITALY/GENOVA/SCUDI.HTML
1/2 SCUDO
II TYPE
19 GRAMS SILVER 30-36mm
Issued 1594 to 1636
So not the size or weight (34 grams 40mm) of your coin, but date fits.
The 4 at end of your coin does not look like the supposed second number, so must be a 5 there.

Citeer: "ZacUK"​ Welcome to the forum.
​Your link is for a 1 Scudo, and your coin is a 1/2 Scudo.
​The date on your coin is 1594 .
​
​1/2 SCUDO
​II TYPE
​19 GRAMS SILVER 30-36mm
​ Issued 1594 to 1636
​It is listed halfway down this page ...
​http://www.rhinocoins.com/ITALY/GENOVA/SCUDI.HTML

​Thanks for your reply!

I think you mean this:

Indeed, it looks exactly that one.
But 1/2 scudo is about 18g, while the coin in the subject weights about the double: that's why I thought it was 1 scudo. Is it possible such a difference in weight?

Thanks!

On the page just above the 1/2 Scudo is a 1 Scudo which is
similar in size and weight, but not exact. Using it more for date -
1494 too early and 1694 too late. Though again those 1 Scudo shown
have a symbol below the first image, not the date.
So far I think it is a 1 Scudo 1594 Genoa.

Citeer: "ZacUK"​ On the page just above the 1/2 Scudo is a 1 Scudo which is
​similar in size and weight, but not exact. Using it more for date -
​1494 too early and 1694 too late. Though again those 1 Scudo shown
​have a symbol below the first image, not the date.
​ So far I think it is a 1 Scudo 1594 Genoa.

​Thanks very much!

I agree with your considerations and conclusion.

Do you think it could be a good idea to update the page:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces21453.html
to include that date? Or I'd better ask for a new coin in the catalog? Just because I'd like to keep track of it...

To me it must be a counterfeit, could be a contemporary.
it doesn't seem to be silver?

https://numismatica-italiana.lamoneta.it/moneta/W-GE2/14

But if its a counterfeit I think it must be an old one as I can't find any other.

some older contemporary counterfeits can be quite sought after.

Citeer: "apuking"​To me it must be a counterfeit, could be a contemporary.
​it doesn't seem to be silver?
​
​https://numismatica-italiana.lamoneta.it/moneta/W-GE2/14

As far as I know, it was found by a farmer while working in a field in the early 40s; he never spent it. But anything could be...

About the material, I'm not an expert, but the color looks silver: it's very grey and dark (the pictures I uploaded earlier were a bit enhanced and look brownish).

Here are some pictures with no color retouching :

It could be silver, that is difficult for us to judge.
What I would recommend you is to contact an Italian Numismatic Forum. It's probably better to tell your story there in English, I don't trust the Online translators much.

​Ok, I'll try!
Thanks very much for your support!