How to identify some coins. Great for beginners. Can we add something like this in numisdoc? This came from world coin gallery.
http://worldcoingallery.com/Inst-ID/Coin_Text.htm
Western text that can reveal the origin of a coin
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I just canm to "APKTNKYLOnb". It's always sad to see someone who can't read the Cyrillic alphabet and tries to translitterate it to just a random mix of Latin letter.
(АРКТИКУГОЛЬ = ARKTIKUGOL, not APKTNKYLOnb - obviously.
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It's like wheb people write Draxhmai (ΔΡΑΧΜΑΙ) as "APAXMAI" or smth like that. Or Lepta (ΛΕΠΤΑ) as "AENTA".
(АРКТИКУГОЛЬ = ARKTIKUGOL, not APKTNKYLOnb - obviously.
)It's like wheb people write Draxhmai (ΔΡΑΧΜΑΙ) as "APAXMAI" or smth like that. Or Lepta (ΛΕΠΤΑ) as "AENTA".
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Citeer: "ngdawa"I just canm to "APKTNKYLOnb". It's always sad to see someone who can't read the Cyrillic alphabet and tries to translitterate it to just a random mix of Latin letter.As the saying goes, 'You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.'
(АРКТИКУГОЛЬ = ARKTIKUGOL, not APKTNKYLOnb - obviously.
It's like wheb people write Deaxhmai (ΔΡΑΧΜΑΙ) as "APAXMAI" or smth like that. Or Lepta (ΛΕΠΤΑ) as "AENTA".
HoH
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Citeer: "Houseofham"Indeed, you are right.
Citeer: "ngdawa"I just canm to "APKTNKYLOnb". It's always sad to see someone who can't read the Cyrillic alphabet and tries to translitterate it to just a random mix of Latin letter.As the saying goes, 'You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.'
(АРКТИКУГОЛЬ = ARKTIKUGOL, not APKTNKYLOnb - obviously.
It's like wheb people write Deaxhmai (ΔΡΑΧΜΑΙ) as "APAXMAI" or smth like that. Or Lepta (ΛΕΠΤΑ) as "AENTA".
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Citeer: "ngdawa"I just canm to "APKTNKYLOnb". It's always sad to see someone who can't read the Cyrillic alphabet and tries to translitterate it to just a random mix of Latin letter.I don't think any offense is meant. It can be daunting when you can't recognise a language, only some letters. Even if those letters are completely different in the language that you're looking at the human brain likes to go for the easiest categorisation. You brain automatically fills in blanks with the simplest or most obvious solution. That's why we can read words that are in a jumble, all you need is the first and last letter to be correct and your brain fills in the blanks.
(АРКТИКУГОЛЬ = ARKTIKUGOL, not APKTNKYLOnb - obviously.
It's like wheb people write Deaxhmai (ΔΡΑΧΜΑΙ) as "APAXMAI" or smth like that. Or Lepta (ΛΕΠΤΑ) as "AENTA".
Having a list like this makes picking up a new type of coin less daunting. I don't feel like it's there to belittle languages that don't use Latin lettering, I think it'll open doors to people getting started.
Though, as was already suggested, I think it would be better if the original text was also included.
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Ok, let's summarize what we've heard so far, as far as what columns we might want if we were to create our own table:
1. Latin letters only spelling - to make searching easier for novices and the "non-English alphabet challenged" among us
2. Native spelling - for people who actually know those alphabets and as a sign of respect to that language/country
3. Phonetic English spelling of the native word - for the true language geeks
4. Country name in English
I have my doubts about #3, tbh. People tend to mispronounce transliterated words because they try to apply English rules when reading them.
1. Latin letters only spelling - to make searching easier for novices and the "non-English alphabet challenged" among us
2. Native spelling - for people who actually know those alphabets and as a sign of respect to that language/country
3. Phonetic English spelling of the native word - for the true language geeks
4. Country name in English
I have my doubts about #3, tbh. People tend to mispronounce transliterated words because they try to apply English rules when reading them.
HoH
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Citeer: "Houseofham"Ok, let's summarize what we've heard so far, as far as what columns we might want if we were to create our own table:What do you mean? #3 is unnecesesary. It would be nice and healpful at heights of your ideas but I already am learning Serbian!
1. Latin letters only spelling - to make searching easier for novices and the "non-English alphabet challenged" among us
2. Native spelling - for people who actually know those alphabets and as a sign of respect to that language/country
3. Phonetic English spelling of the native word - for the true language geeks
4. Country name in English
I have my doubts about #3, tbh. People tend to mispronounce transliterated words because they try to apply English rules when reading them.
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Citeer: "Donkey"i, too, know the russian, serbian, and bulgarian version of the cyrillic alphabet, as well and the belarussian, ukrainian, moldovan*, kazakh, uzbek*, turkmen*, mongolian, tuvan, tatar..yeah, you get the picture..the abkhaz is still a mystery though
Citeer: "Subha Barua"I will buy some Russian, Serbian, and Bulgarian dictionaries to learn Cyrillic, as to continue with my studies.
You might be better off asking Sts. Cyril and Methodius directly about Cyrillic alphabet first, before you waste money to buy dictionaries "as to continue with" your studies...
but why buy dictionaries when you have the internet?
*now uses the latin alphabet
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Citeer: "ngdawa"Puff, keep of that word "Internet"...
Citeer: "Donkey"i, too, know the russian, serbian, and bulgarian version of the cyrillic alphabet, as well and the belarussian, ukrainian, moldovan*, kazakh, uzbek*, turkmen*, mongolian, tuvan, tatar..yeah, you get the picture..the abkhaz is still a mystery though
Citeer: "Subha Barua"I will buy some Russian, Serbian, and Bulgarian dictionaries to learn Cyrillic, as to continue with my studies.
You might be better off asking Sts. Cyril and Methodius directly about Cyrillic alphabet first, before you waste money to buy dictionaries "as to continue with" your studies...
but why buy dictionaries when you have the internet?
*now uses the latin alphabet
Don't know whotsoever it will play games with me, the micscievous "internet" !!!
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Citeer: "Houseofham"3. Phonetic English spelling of the native word - for the true language geeksIt is true that sometimes English spelling rules are quite inconvenient for non-English words, but we could use IPA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet . For many examples of its use, see this site: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/coin
4. Country name in English
I have my doubts about #3, tbh. People tend to mispronounce transliterated words because they try to apply English rules when reading them.
P.S.: this thread is drowning in uninformative messages; I kindly ask these users to exchange such messages through personal messaging system rather than through public forum.
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Quant.Geek and Houseofham, I agree. I makes no sense to ignore the native language of the coin. I think column 3 is an awesome idea, even if it boggles some people or they mispronounce it, it could plant the seed. Or for those who are uninterested, they can just ignore it.
But, Quant.Geek, I have to disagree on the last point, as I really don't feel like insult was intended. I've helped blossoming coin nerds in the past who could only give me a "POCCNN". How do you find out what language to look up or what keyboard to use if you don't know what you're looking at?
I wouldn't say it's garbage, just woefully incomplete. Hopefully that's where we can step in.
But, Quant.Geek, I have to disagree on the last point, as I really don't feel like insult was intended. I've helped blossoming coin nerds in the past who could only give me a "POCCNN". How do you find out what language to look up or what keyboard to use if you don't know what you're looking at?
I wouldn't say it's garbage, just woefully incomplete. Hopefully that's where we can step in.
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Citeer: "CassTaylor"LOL! Damned right he does not!!!
Citeer: "Subha Barua"Sorry but I don't haave enough of this knowledge of these things.Damned right you don't; speaking of which, last time I saw you on the forums you were going around informing users their coins were 'fake' or 'specimen' with little to no knowledge of what you were talking about.
I'm sorry for not putting this in a private message Subha, or even for not putting it more mildly but I believe I speak for more members than just myself when I say that every time I've seen you on the forums, it's either some ham-fisted attempt at coin identification/analysis, or an unnecessarily rude outburst at someone else for the most pedantic of causes. I'm no moderator, but I'd like to ask you to please try and engage in a constructive manner, or not at all.
You don't have to be "sorry for not putting this in a private message". I hope one day moderator will read all of his nonsense and finally make a call... CassTaylor, I'm with you on this one! Gordon Gekko: Now you're not naive enough to think we're living in a democracy, are you buddy? It's the free market.
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Citeer: "Donkey"Can you carry out your grim duty elsewhere??
Citeer: "CassTaylor"LOL! Damned right he does not!!!
Citeer: "Subha Barua"Sorry but I don't haave enough of this knowledge of these things.Damned right you don't; speaking of which, last time I saw you on the forums you were going around informing users their coins were 'fake' or 'specimen' with little to no knowledge of what you were talking about.
I'm sorry for not putting this in a private message Subha, or even for not putting it more mildly but I believe I speak for more members than just myself when I say that every time I've seen you on the forums, it's either some ham-fisted attempt at coin identification/analysis, or an unnecessarily rude outburst at someone else for the most pedantic of causes. I'm no moderator, but I'd like to ask you to please try and engage in a constructive manner, or not at all.
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Citeer: "Donkey"As for such a person like you, I would just say I am perfect, Mr. "Donkeystar".
Citeer: "CassTaylor"LOL! Damned right he does not!!!
Citeer: "Subha Barua"Sorry but I don't haave enough of this knowledge of these things.Damned right you don't; speaking of which, last time I saw you on the forums you were going around informing users their coins were 'fake' or 'specimen' with little to no knowledge of what you were talking about.
I'm sorry for not putting this in a private message Subha, or even for not putting it more mildly but I believe I speak for more members than just myself when I say that every time I've seen you on the forums, it's either some ham-fisted attempt at coin identification/analysis, or an unnecessarily rude outburst at someone else for the most pedantic of causes. I'm no moderator, but I'd like to ask you to please try and engage in a constructive manner, or not at all.
I think this forum must not be considering constant replies, for such people, I think, posting on the forum is difficult.
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Citeer: "January First-of-May"Just wanted to note that the first letter of ՀԱՅԱՍՏԱՆ really does look a lot more like a Z on the coins (I don't know how to make that effect - it's apparently a font difference), so the ZU3UUSUJ isn't as far from reality as it looks like.well, fair enough
(But the last letter still looks more like L or b than J - on coins, especially, it is very similar to b. So it should really be ZU3UUSUb.)
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Citeer: "ngdawa"Not if only for a silly Հ
Citeer: "January First-of-May"Just wanted to note that the first letter of ՀԱՅԱՍՏԱՆ really does look a lot more like a Z on the coins (I don't know how to make that effect - it's apparently a font difference), so the ZU3UUSUJ isn't as far from reality as it looks like.well, fair enough
(But the last letter still looks more like L or b than J - on coins, especially, it is very similar to b. So it should really be ZU3UUSUb.)
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Hi,
I think you're off the mark, all of you. In the km catalogues we have this 'Instant Identifier'
and I think, that's was is needed for people with little experience in foreign countries, their coins, languages and alphabets?
Now if this is the proper form or not can be discussed, but go by the look of the coin, please.
Ole
I think you're off the mark, all of you. In the km catalogues we have this 'Instant Identifier'
and I think, that's was is needed for people with little experience in foreign countries, their coins, languages and alphabets?
Now if this is the proper form or not can be discussed, but go by the look of the coin, please.
Ole
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