So the big reorganization is already there?
I thought it wasn't going to happen until the next year!
I guess I didn't make it to 300 countries before it became meaningless.
All that work, all that money... all for nothing... *sobs*
I should probably try to figure out if there's a store anywhere remotely near my city specializing in German States coinage - hopefully I could then at least get to 400 that way.
And by the way. There will be (should happen today) two counters. One for countries, second for sections. So with that numbers, "elite clubs" will pop-up pretty soon. Just different.
We thought about it a long time, and this came as a conclusion:
Everything that is now first level country (Example is France) will be counted as country. Everything on second and third level (examples: Brittany, France - Feudal, France - Kingdom, Yemen - Arab Republic) will be counted as section. No exceptions, no political decisions.
Only thing is Tokens and Exonumia, which will be removed from Country list in the future and probably granted its own page.
That still means that I have no chance for 300 countries (currently 233) unless I win a big lottery - actually I'm not sure if there even still are 300 countries (EDIT: not now, though perhaps some might be added) - and the number of sections (currently 295 - I wonder which two are new? EDIT: Genoa is one, not sure of the other) will probably pass 300 and get somewhere around 330 without any input on my part (and I have no chance on 400 unless I find a German States focused shop).
So whatever elite clubs will pop up, I will never be in them (while I kind of actually had a chance before the reorganization)
I do like how the names of some things are changing, though. I was hopping Riga - Free City, and Riga - Archbishopric would change to match how they are named in my collection (with Riga first). Now I just need to hope that Swedish Livonia changes to Livonia - Swedish.
Citeer: "Sulfur"Looks like I lost 48 countries.
I do like how the names of some things are changing, though. I was hopping Riga - Free City, and Riga - Archbishopric would change to match how they are named in my collection (with Riga first). Now I just need to hope that Swedish Livonia changes to Livonia - Swedish.
Citeer: "January First-of-May"Kingdom of Italy should probably be something along the lines of "Italy, Napoleonic Kingdom of".
[EDIT: sorry for asking it in this thread - couldn't find a better one, and didn't want to start a new thread just for that.]
Citeer: "January First-of-May"Kingdom of Italy should probably be something along the lines of "Italy, Napoleonic Kingdom of".
[EDIT: sorry for asking it in this thread - couldn't find a better one, and didn't want to start a new thread just for that.]
That is ok. You are right, this is misleading.
Similarly, Italian Republic should be "Italy, Napoleonic Republic of" (if it should be listed at all - only seems to have the one pattern).
Citeer: "January First-of-May"Kingdom of Italy should probably be something along the lines of "Italy, Napoleonic Kingdom of".
[EDIT: sorry for asking it in this thread - couldn't find a better one, and didn't want to start a new thread just for that.]
That is ok. You are right, this is misleading.
Similarly, Italian Republic should be "Italy, Napoleonic Republic of" (if it should be listed at all - only seems to have the one pattern).
This should show up correctly now.
Sapientiae plerumque stultitia est comes.
Si c'est un grand plaisir d'être reconnu par ses amis, c'est peut-être encore plus flatteur d'être reconnu par ses adversaires.
Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.
For India, could you make the section as "India - Republic". It just makes sense because you've done that for "India - British", "India - French" etc
Ideally every Indian Princely state should be counted as a different entity (perhaps a further level under "India - Princely States"). However, that will invite alot of effort and opinions :-)
Citeer: "Stupendousman35"Hmm I had been using 300 countries as one of my goals. Now I am not sure...a certain number of sections and countries? What will other people do?
That must be great. And in Numista, German states or Swiss cantons, and Austrian states must have their own flag and entity. It doesn't look bright for German States and Austrian States, that for German States, all flags are united under a single-imperial eagle in Numista. In that case, the Imperial double-headed eagle was not the flag or arms of a certain states, like those of ANHALT-BERNBERG, whose only MAIN symbol was the only bear walking up through a stiff-cliff. Yes, and in those DARK AGES these states were none STATES, these were countries. And just for collecting in sites, they are STATES because there are collected under a single realm.
So, dividing in sections, is a great idea indeed.
Citeer: "January First-of-May"Kingdom of Italy should probably be something along the lines of "Italy, Napoleonic Kingdom of".
[EDIT: sorry for asking it in this thread - couldn't find a better one, and didn't want to start a new thread just for that.]
That is ok. You are right, this is misleading.
Similarly, Italian Republic should be "Italy, Napoleonic Republic of" (if it should be listed at all - only seems to have the one pattern).
This should show up correctly now.
Also "United Provinces of Central Italy" should be something like "Central Italy, United Provinces of".
(And "State of the Presidi" is probably "Presidi, State of the", but I don't know enough about the origin of that name to tell this certainly.)
EDIT: Unrelated question (didn't want to double-post) - are we planning to split Greece - ancient, Roman provinces, and other similar cases (if any) by region (as currently), or by city?
Because the latter version (splitting by city) makes much more sense from a historical perspective, but would be quite complicated to set up properly.
Citeer: "January First-of-May"I guess I didn't make it to 300 countries before it became meaningless.
All that work, all that money... all for nothing... *sobs*
wow, if this was the whole reason you collected coins, then, sorry mate..
Citeer: "January First-of-May"I guess I didn't make it to 300 countries before it became meaningless.
All that work, all that money... all for nothing... *sobs*
wow, if this was the whole reason you collected coins, then, sorry mate..
There are many other reasons why I collected coins, but the 300 country quest was probably my second biggest spending item (the first biggest - and not by much - was "random ancients that caught my eye", which I really didn't want to become the focus of my collection).
In other words, I'm basically talking about how I spent $100+ on a quest that I wasn't even able to finish properly.
For those asking about Roman Provinces, Greek cities, Islamic states, Chinese and so on:
Answer is yes, we want to split them. When is the question. We started where our knowledge is strongest and it is most clear what we need to do. German states, Bohemia, Lorraine, Yemens are next.
Some micronations will appear too in the future. (We define it as a territory in which people actually reside and their mock-up "coins" actually circulate. (For example, various Antarctica crazyness are excluded by this) We might need another counter for them, or even their own page. But this is not a priority now really.
Non-UN unrecognized countries will stay as they are. They are counted normally, just separated from the rest. If they are accepted to the UN, as South Sudad did for example, they will be moved.
Tokens and exonumia are for the time being counted as sections with plan to move them on their own page in the future. On their own page they will get their own sections as well.
Don't despair, you still have a diverse and nice collection. Don't let this hobby website dictate your spendings :-)
I actually like your style of writing. It is somewhat anecdotal, but hard to grasp how serious you really are. Apparently pretty serious ;-) But keep up the good work!
Last but not least, where did you learn to write that fluently in English, assuming that's not your native language?
Citeer: "jokinen"Hi Jan 1 May
Don't despair, you still have a diverse and nice collection. Don't let this hobby website dictate your spendings :-)
I actually like your style of writing. It is somewhat anecdotal, but hard to grasp how serious you really are. Apparently pretty serious ;-) But keep up the good work!
Last but not least, where did you learn to write that fluently in English, assuming that's not your native language?
I should probably ignore the 300 country club entirely (at least, until they figure out the renaming) and shoot for the 10,000 coin club. Already 25% done
(OTOH, that would probably make me spend even more money...)
No, English is not, in fact, my native language (that's Russian). I think I must have slowly picked it up on assorted forums online (after studying it a lot at home and in school, and reading some books - which didn't actually allow me to write that well).
Much of the oldest stuff I posted in English online either isn't around anymore or had been misplaced; the oldest I was able to find is this comment from January 2008 (about 1.5 years before I graduated from school), which, as you can plainly see, is a lot less fluent (I must have caught on relatively quickly, though - the compliments for my fluency started by 2011 or so).
I can't say much about my style of writing, however.
Citeer: "January First-of-May"I guess I didn't make it to 300 countries before it became meaningless.
All that work, all that money... all for nothing... *sobs*
wow, if this was the whole reason you collected coins, then, sorry mate..
There are many other reasons why I collected coins, but the 300 country quest was probably my second biggest spending item
btw mate, you know that if you reach 300 sections you have also reached 300 countries in the "OCS (old counting system)". Then you can just go from there.
Citeer: "ngdawa"btw mate, you know that if you reach 300 sections you have also reached 300 countries in the "OCS (old counting system)". Then you can just go from there.
Not exactly.
If you have tokens and exonumia then you should subtract these 2, as they are now counted as sections
Citeer: "ngdawa"btw mate, you know that if you reach 300 sections you have also reached 300 countries in the "OCS (old counting system)". Then you can just go from there.
Not exactly.
If you have tokens and exonumia then you should subtract these 2, as they are now counted as sections
I don't actually have any exonumia (none listed on Numista, anyway), so in my case it would be 301.
The problem is that I might well wake up tomorrow and see my collection already pass that number (I estimate the full number of sections I'd have once the system gets working properly as circa 315-320; at the moment, with the Italian states almost fully done and the German states partially done, it is exactly 300).
I did not expect the reorganization to rename countries to "sections", and I realize that this is a cosmetic change anyway (though if anything I'd prefer the name "sections" for the larger groups); I did expect it to quickly and massively change my count, however (and, in particular, likely catapult me past 300; in retrospect, I heavily underestimated both the amount of German states stuff I had and how close I could get to 300 without it, which kind of counteracted each other).
Can I have some clarification with what will happen with Tokens and Exonumia. Are they just going to be expanded out into subsections of the Tokens and Exonumia catalogues like what has already been done with German states or will they be added as a subsection onto their respective country (eg, Australian tokens as a subsection of Australia)?
Indeed, what does "separate page" mean? Separate catalog? Will there also be separate search/export/map/etc for them? Does this mean there are potentially plans for a banknote catalog in the future?
Separate page meant separate list - separate webpage. They will have their own list with sections. (Of course they will either not count, or will be counted differently)
Some link to the country coinage should exist too.
Great job. I like what you have done so far.
But you should consider to add a column in the Export-function for the sections.
It would be much handier to have the German States all togeather instead of having for instance Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel, Principality of between Brunei and Bulgaria and then a little further down Coesfeld, City of just after China in my case.
Same is true when you check the swap list of someone.
The German States should appear all togeather with their subtitle as second header.
Of course, I am aware that this will need some programming but I believe it would be worth considering.
Citeer: "maudry"Great job. I like what you have done so far.
But you should consider to add a column in the Export-function for the sections.
It would be much handier to have the German States all togeather instead of having for instance Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel, Principality of between Brunei and Bulgaria and then a little further down Coesfeld, City of just after China in my case.
Same is true when you check the swap list of someone.
The German States should appear all togeather with their subtitle as second header.
Of course, I am aware that this will need some programming but I believe it would be worth considering.
Not just me, Pejounet has done the bigger half I guess.
Regarding those proposals, I agree, I will pass it to Xavier.
Citeer: "maudry"Great job. I like what you have done so far.
But you should consider to add a column in the Export-function for the sections.
It would be much handier to have the German States all togeather instead of having for instance Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel, Principality of between Brunei and Bulgaria and then a little further down Coesfeld, City of just after China in my case.
Same is true when you check the swap list of someone.
The German States should appear all togeather with their subtitle as second header.
As you members may have deduced by now, English isn't my first language. So, can someone explain to me what a "section" is when it comes to numismatics. Is it a former country, a territory ...?
Citeer: "Jarcek"Section is technical apolitical term. Basically it is coin issuing entity. You may see it as a country. If you do so, you have gained 3 more.
Thank you for your answer, Jarcek. So, where do I go in Numista to find out which of my countries and sections are which? When I click on "your coins", it doesn't tell me which are the countries and which are the sections. If I'm getting ahead of your work, I beg your pardon for my impatience. Thanks again.
Well, good point, it is nowhere written, but you can spot it easily. Open country list and find Bohemia. That is the country - first level and it has several groups and those have sections as Duchy of Friedland, City of Bytom etc..
Only those first levels are counted as countries. (Andorra is for example a country, or Benin is a country with two sections - Benin amd Dahomey)
This entire re-org gave me deja vu , but then I remembered making this suggestion back in 2015: https://en.numista.com/forum/topic44218.html - I wonder if its ever going to be completely implemented.
Citeer: "Houseofham"This entire re-org gave me deja vu , but then I remembered making this suggestion back in 2015: https://en.numista.com/forum/topic44218.html - I wonder if its ever going to be completely implemented.
Love that idea! Especially that if you click on, let's say, Russia you'll get all coins of Russia and USSR. But if you click rsfsr you will only be able to see the rsfsr coins.. that would be awesome and much easier to get an overlook of the specific coins/era.
692 sections now. German states are still being moved and we have new sections for Swiss Cantons, Venezuelan provinces and Argentine provinces. Bohemia is also done.
Well, while you're at it: Why not just go my the Recognised list of countries by the UN and set the rest of as sections? Then no one an come as say "why is this a country when that isn't?".
Note: I started off not being too serious about this (since the reorganisation already progress) but the more I think about I think it's a good idea. I mean, how many "this should be a country" and "why is this a country" threads hasn't it been here?
While I'm at it, let me tell you a bit of history. Puerto Rico has never been a country nor made any coins. Throughout its history Puerto Rico has been a colony of Spain (this is when the coins were made) and then a colony of the United States. It has never been a sovereign country. So, do the math. It's not "which should be a country" but which IS a country.
While we're at it why is Hawaii listed under the USA. Of course it's a U.S. state now but when their coins were issued it was a Kingdom and not a possession or a state. Shouldn't it be listed separately.
Citeer: "SRV5490"While we're at it why is Hawaii listed under the USA. Of course it's a U.S. state now but when their coins were issued it was a Kingdom and not a possession or a state. Shouldn't it be listed separately.
here i totally agree! we shouldn't look too hard at the modern map, but at the time period when the coins were issued..like in this case we should ask "who issued this coin?" and "was hawaii a state of the usa at the time, or was it 'something else'?" in this case it was 'something else' - it was an independent kingdom..
I wouldn't be so anal about these things. As someone not from the US, I didn't even know that at one point Hawaii was a kingdom and it issued its own coins. But seeing it under the US as a sub-section, that's really easy to explore. I can say that Indian princely states and Ancient India coins should not grouped under "India", because as far as Indians are concerned, the concept of India did not start until 1857.
Citeer: "SRV5490"While we're at it why is Hawaii listed under the USA. Of course it's a U.S. state now but when their coins were issued it was a Kingdom and not a possession or a state. Shouldn't it be listed separately.
That is right. Hawaii was a sovereign country, and they issued their own currency. On the other hand Puerto Rico's coins were made by Spain for their colony, which didn't even have a right to issue their own currency.
*sobs* 
You have coins!
