Coin club talk on Riders and Their Horses

In about three weeks I will present a program about riders and their horses at the Oklahoma City Coin Club. Most folks would know the famous humans that appear on horseback, but not all know the name of the animal being ridden. I have found a couple of names of horses that Queen Elizabeth II is shown riding on coins. I was wondering if others know the names of horses being ridden by others on coin. I am thinking of Phar Lap of Australian $5 fame. Surely there are others? Help?

The Stone Mountain 50c depicts those two Heroes of the Free South, Robert E Lee and Thomas Stonewall Jackson. Their mounts are respectively Traveler and Little Sorrell. Unlike the coin, the soon to be destroyed monument also includes our one and only President Jefferson Davis who is astride Blackjack.

I guess a few Yankee generals gave their horses names too but really who cares? The serial plunderer and notable drunk, Hiram "U.S." Grant interestingly had a horse called Jeff Davis which he looted from the great statesman's estate while taking a break from indiscriminately shelling the civilian population of Vicksburg. I reckon he was lucky to get to it before the mass murdering war criminal and former lunatic asylum patient Sherman could steal it.

I have this coin. I will include it with the Queen riding both Churchill on her coronation crown, and Burmese on other coins of the UK and realm. Thanks for the info sir.

Citeer: "pnightingale"​The Stone Mountain 50c depicts those two Heroes of the Free South, Robert E Lee and Thomas Stonewall Jackson. Their mounts are respectively Traveler and Little Sorrell. Unlike the coin, the soon to be destroyed monument also includes our one and only President Jefferson Davis who is astride Blackjack.
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​I guess a few Yankee generals gave their horses names too but really who cares? The serial plunderer and notable drunk, Hiram "U.S." Grant interestingly had a horse called Jeff Davis which he looted from the great statesman's estate while taking a break from indiscriminately shelling the civilian population of Vicksburg. I reckon he was lucky to get to it before the mass murdering war criminal and former lunatic asylum patient Sherman could steal it.

​seriously? Why do you feel the need to keep the insults and vitriol coming? The question was about the names of the horses and not about how you feel about the U.S. Civil War.
Mods: why is it that these comments are not addressed?

Numista is my safe haven with regards to politics and social instability and all the garbage that comes with it. Please, keep it that way.

Respectfully,

John

Please. Talking about horses and personalities from more than a hundred years ago? Please..

Citeer: "Jasanche"​

Citeer: "pnightingale"​The Stone Mountain 50c depicts those two Heroes of the Free South, Robert E Lee and Thomas Stonewall Jackson. Their mounts are respectively Traveler and Little Sorrell. Unlike the coin, the soon to be destroyed monument also includes our one and only President Jefferson Davis who is astride Blackjack.
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​​I guess a few Yankee generals gave their horses names too but really who cares? The serial plunderer and notable drunk, Hiram "U.S." Grant interestingly had a horse called Jeff Davis which he looted from the great statesman's estate while taking a break from indiscriminately shelling the civilian population of Vicksburg. I reckon he was lucky to get to it before the mass murdering war criminal and former lunatic asylum patient Sherman could steal it.

​​seriously? Why do you feel the need to keep the insults and vitriol coming? The question was about the names of the horses and not about how you feel about the U.S. Civil War.
​Mods: why is it that these comments are not addressed?
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​Numista is my safe haven with regards to politics and social instability and all the garbage that comes with it. Please, keep it that way.
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​Respectfully,
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​John

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Good grief. Thanks for the historical facts Pnightingale. Perhaps someday somewhere you can mention the events of 150 years ago without those behaving politically demanding you be shut down. Im glad we dont talk current events here. But dang... you all are fit throwing about 150 years ago! Pah leeeze.. I mean...if we had a topic about 1066 and french and english...or...the Congo and Belgium...or britains criminal transports to their colinies...or Canada as the goal of the war of 1812... when the heck is it history? Because they all have political overtones! Damn us all if we talk about the politics of 1707 and Scotland and England...maybe get rid of all the countries on Numista, politics you see, and just have continents...i think the fit throwing on this innocent topic is more political than Pnightingales historic observations.

Moderators, when are we allowed to comment or discuss on historic events without it being political? I feel like my friend is getting picked on for mentioning 150 year old facts of history. Those demanding silence and suppression of the facts of history are not completely innocent...that is political behavior in and of itself.

Citeer: "Oklahoman"​Moderators, when are we allowed to comment or discuss on historic events without it being political? I feel like my friend is getting picked on for mentioning 150 year old facts of history. Those demanding silence and suppression of the facts of history are not completely innocent...that is political behavior in and of itself.

​Wait, what? What "fit" am I throwing? How am I "picking" on him?
Pnightingale's numismatic information is not the issue! The mention of 150 year-old events is not the issue. And his version of the "facts" are very open to serious discussion and arguments.
We have regular discussions on numista about history and political boundaries, etc etc, without the necessity to call one side or the other rapists and war criminals, or completely dismissing some coins because they are about a cetain region of a country.
My agenda is to not have an agenda. If you want to call me sensitive, biased, or whatever, go ahead. But please keep in mind that what I am asking is to keep numista clear of unnecessarily hateful comments.

Again, respectfully,

John

Why dont you argue those points then instead of demanding he be shutdown for having a different historical viewpoint than you?

The words rapist and war criminals are your words not his.

Citeer: "Oklahoman"​Why dont you argue those points then instead of demanding he be shutdown for having a different historical viewpoint than you?

​because this is not the place to argue about history or whose version of it is the correct one! I go somewhere else for that. And what makes you think I disagree with his version? I live and call East Tennessee my home. I just don't want to hear all this crap here. I am here because we collect coins, not to figure out who was the aggressor and who was the innocent victim during a specific conflict.

When did I "demand he be shutdown"? When I requested moderators address these comments? See what language you are using and how it differs from mine? There is no "fit" being thrown here, nor is there any "picking" being done. I am not asking for anyone to be banned from anywhere. Again, all I want is some consideration.

Your permission is not required to have a historic conversation in an historic context. If you dont want to hear "crap" (your words) then kindly go away from this thread. Pnightingale gave me some great info for my program. There must be literally hundreds of thousands of historical events depicted on coins and banknotes. Who the hell are you to say what cant or cannot be discussed here? The only political behavior/conversation in this thread is actually yours.

Pnightingale, there is a whole slew of Confederate States and Civil War coins from Liberia. A bit interesting considering Liberia's historical formation and reasons for existing. I would love your thoughts and any facts you might be able to share on the battles and generals depicted on coins. Might make a great program on the Civil War...an event from 150 years ago. This could branch out to include other historical events of civil war from countries all over the world and depicted on thousands of coins. A very interesting and historical program indeed.

I think I will focus this talk on the Queen, Commonwealth, and former colonies. I have some US, an Australian coin, and a bunch of the Queen on horseback. It's only an hour.

Oklahoman, John is right about these remarks.

"The serial plunderer and notable drunk, Hiram "U.S." Grant interestingly had a horse called Jeff Davis which he looted from the great statesman's estate while taking a break from indiscriminately shelling the civilian population of Vicksburg. I reckon he was lucky to get to it before the mass murdering war criminal and former lunatic asylum patient Sherman could steal it."

They offer no information to your question. And you are wrong. Events from 150 years ago, from the Civil War, are still raw. Just look at events in Charlottesville that happened recently. Your initial question was great, but I see no need for you to defend Phil's remarks.

P.S. The moderators should address remarks like this also. This is a coin collecting site, not a political forum.

I might as well go and try to answer the actual OP question...

There are 1252 search results for "horse", but only 1022 of them appear to be coins (as opposed to tokens).
(There are also 334 results for "horseback" and 325 for "rider", which I'll try to check later.)

I was only able to figure out a few of them, however...

Albania 1 lek (4x): Bucephalus
Argentina 10 pesos: Huemul
Australia 1 dollar 2013: Black Caviar
Cuba 1 peso 1982, 5 pesos 1982: Rocinante
Jersey 5 pounds 2015: Copenhagen
Spain 30 euro 2015: Clavileño
Transnistria 50 rubles 2000: Mishka?
UK 5 shillings 1953: Winston
US 1/4 dollar 1999: Thunder?

Most of the other 1000-odd coins appear to be just about generic horses, unfortunately (some aren't even being ridden, and in a few cases they don't show up on the coin at all).
And of course a lot of coins feature Saint George (whose horse apparently doesn't have an accepted name).

Thank you for your most robust defense my dear Oklahoman. I've been catching up on a little sleep and so missed the drama. I trust you will find the information useful. I guess I could edit it to avoid causing unnecessary anxiety to anyone, anywhere, anytime however I fear the end result would not be of much use to you. Thus -

"The ***** ******** and ****** *****, ***** ** ***** Interestingly had a horse called **** *****........."

Great eh? I'd be happy to edit out the "rapist" comment but I can't seem to find it. Could someone point these tired old eyes in the right direction. Or perhaps you could apologize for misrepresenting what I said. kthanks.

Coins and history are inseparable and you can't discuss the former without acknowledging the latter. "Commemoratives" have the sole purpose of marking historical events. This has been the case since Roman times. I reckon we could restrict any and all conversations to mintage figures but that seems pretty sterile to me. Maybe we should just act like grown ups and realize that not everyone falls into line with whatever groupthink is currently fashionable and that there's room for intellectual diversity?

Interesting that those who have spilled the most virtual ink have yet to contribute anything which answers the original post. I guess virtue signaling is easier than answering the actual question. Even more interesting, one of the complainants had his previous account terminated for making death threats and posting snuff porn. So let's get worked up over a reference to a major event in our nation's history and listen to that guy eh? I can confidently predict which of the members of my personal stalkers group will be piping up next.

It's a little known fact but during my previous life as a middle ranking Civil Servant, I was given formal training in public speaking. Quite enjoyed it actually and became quite good at it. Ignore all the trite nonsense about moving your eye contact around the room and overcoming your fear by imagining the audience in their underwear. That's all crap. The knack is to make it interesting. A speech given in a flat monotone, reading off a list of bullet points is predictable and boring and your audience will stop listening after about a minute. You need to captivate your audience by telling them something they didn't already know using a style which grabs attention.

Since retiring (again, I'm a serial retiree) I had some small success writing. I like to flatter myself that the "small" part is because of my burden of being immensely lazy and not because of any lack of talent. Oh, I'm not Oscar Wilde, not even Steven Fry but I do know how to follow a literary rabbit hole. When writing, I use the same formula which served me so well while speaking. Some people like it, some people don't. However I might be just as likely to think your wife is as ugly as a mud fence and your kids look like the Deliverance banjo player, but far too polite to mention it.

In all seriousness, I feel slightly bad for having offended jasanche and I'd like to offer you an olive branch. I can't change who I am or pretend to be otherwise but I do hope you will get used to me and that down the road you may regard me as a friend.

frankb though, not so much. Death threats and execution porn.... yeah, the moderators have some work to do but it's not with me, bubba.

P.S. Oklahoman, I do actually know the names of the Federal General's horses, forgive my posturing, and as at least some of them have been featured on coins (absent their mounts) I'd be happy to share this with you if it's an avenue you'd like to take the presentation down.

Phil, I figured you would come back with some B.S. That's all you're good for. And don't associate me with snuff pornography, which I have no doubt is your hobby. You probably make it yourself. The first part you associate me with is partly true. But I made no death threat, I wrote "I would fight to the death" to defend what I believe in. I just don't care for old racists who hide behind the Confederate flag. I am not going to let you get away with writing your garbage. That's why you are so offended by me. I will speak up against your garbage, like everyone else should. This is a coin collecting site not a site where you can spew your vitriol. I thought Oklahoman's question was interesting until I read your usual drivel. If you can't keep your hateful thoughts to yourself, get off the site.

P.S. I hope this thread is locked and you get banned from the forum for a while. Enough is enough.

Apologies for picking this up slowly.

There's a reason why politics talk aint allowed here.

And equating those who talk fondly about historical anecdotes to racists and white nationalists is not okay. Being sensationalist for the sake of comedy isn't being racist.

Anyway, this thread is finito. Feel free to start a new one about coins and horses and riders!