Coins with stories

I am interested to hear your stories about coins. Here is a few Finnish ones:
75 pennia 1863 and 1 copper markka 1949:
Both were illegally minted by the mint of Finland chief Helle in 1949 and 1950's. Only 10-500 of both were minted and they are usually sold at auctions.

5 pennia 1918 Civil War Coinage:
This coin was minted in helsinki, when the "Finnish Reds" (communists) captured the city. These coins were only minted during spring 1918. After the leader of the "Finnish Whites" Mannerheim defeated the communists, the reds became a political party SKP and the whites created the republic of Finland. Many of the communist coins were taken out of circulation or melted. During only 3 years, 6 different 5 pennia coins were minted. Nikolai II 5 pennia, Provisional government 5 penniä, Republic of Finland 5 penniä, Communist Finland 5 penniä, And silver and iron versions of the republic 5 pennia, that are pattern coins.
Do you know any coins with stories? I'd like to hear about them.

Citeer: "Monninen1"​5 pennia 1918 Civil War Coinage:
​This coin was minted in helsinki, when the "Finnish Reds" (communists) captured the city. These coins were only minted during spring 1918. After the leader of the "Finnish Whites" Mannerheim defeated the communists, the reds became a political party SKP and the whites created the republic of Finland. Many of the communist coins were taken out of circulation or melted. During only 3 years, 6 different 5 pennia coins were minted. Nikolai II 5 pennia, Provisional government 5 penniä, Republic of Finland 5 penniä, Communist Finland 5 penniä, And silver and iron versions of the republic 5 pennia, that are pattern coins.
​Do you know any coins with stories? I'd like to hear about them.

​Fascinating. Is this the communist 5 Pennia that you are referring to? https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces34566.html I'm not too familiar with Finnish coinage, however, I do have the pre and post-revolution 1917 50 Pennia coins. I got them as its probably the closest I'll get to owning an Imperial Russian 1917 coin. I've only ever come across one once and I wasn't sure of its authenticity.

A rather interesting series of coins from Scotland are the Jacobite pattern coins. They were made in anticipation of a successful restoration of the Stuart monarchy during 1715 Jacobite rebellion.

James 'VIII' Pattern Guinea

James 'VIII' Pattern Guinea struck in silver

Dies were prepared, but the rebellion ended in failure before any coins could be minted. The dies were discovered in 1828 and a number of coins were struck, the dies were then destroyed.

Citeer: "cmaclean"​

Citeer: "Monninen1"​5 pennia 1918 Civil War Coinage:
​​This coin was minted in helsinki, when the "Finnish Reds" (communists) captured the city. These coins were only minted during spring 1918. After the leader of the "Finnish Whites" Mannerheim defeated the communists, the reds became a political party SKP and the whites created the republic of Finland. Many of the communist coins were taken out of circulation or melted. During only 3 years, 6 different 5 pennia coins were minted. Nikolai II 5 pennia, Provisional government 5 penniä, Republic of Finland 5 penniä, Communist Finland 5 penniä, And silver and iron versions of the republic 5 pennia, that are pattern coins.
​​Do you know any coins with stories? I'd like to hear about them.
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​​Fascinating. Is this the communist 5 Pennia that you are referring to? https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces34566.html I'm not too familiar with Finnish coinage, however, I do have the pre and post-revolution 1917 50 Pennia coins. I got them as its probably the closest I'll get to owning an Imperial Russian 1917 coin. I've only ever come across one once and I wasn't sure of its authenticity.
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​A rather interesting series of coins from Scotland are the Jacobite pattern coins. They were made in anticipation of a successful restoration of the Stuart monarchy during 1715 Jacobite rebellion.
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​James 'VIII' Pattern Guinea
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​James 'VIII' Pattern Guinea struck in silver
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​Dies were prepared, but the rebellion ended in failure before any coins could be minted. The dies were discovered in 1828 and a number of coins were struck, the dies were then destroyed.

​Thanks! Interesting stories those coins have. And yes, that 5 pennia is the copper coin struck in 1918, I actually have one:
The local numismatic shop sells the 1918 iron 5 pennia (pattern), another coin that I mentioned, but the price is 1390€ for the coin, that is in XF condition.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces78536.html
The weird thing is that so many have it (Numista rarity index: 93)

Citeer: "cmaclean"​

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​James 'VIII' Pattern Guinea struck in silver
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​This may be nitpicking, but isn't this an English pattern, since James VIII is 'Iacobus Tertius' (James III), as opposed to a Scottish one (above)?

Citeer: "Monninen1"​I am interested to hear your stories about coins. Here is a few Finnish ones:
​75 pennia 1863 and 1 copper markka 1949:

​So was that 1863 dated coin struck in 1949/1950?

Citeer: "CassTaylor"​

Citeer: "Monninen1"​I am interested to hear your stories about coins. Here is a few Finnish ones:
​​75 pennia 1863 and 1 copper markka 1949:
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​​So was that 1863 dated coin struck in 1949/1950?
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​Did I forgot to say that? Oops
75 pennia. There is not much information because it is so rare. https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-6899465 Here is a picture http://www.snynumis.fi
Sold at the snynumis auction for 19000€.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces126711.html

Citeer: "CassTaylor"​​​
​​This may be nitpicking, but isn't this an English pattern, since James VIII is 'Iacobus Tertius' (James III), as opposed to a Scottish one (above)?

I'm not entirely certain what country the pattern was intended for. The 'IACOBUS TERTIUS' obverse certainly suggests that the coin was intended for use in either England or Great Britain as a whole. However, the reverse suggests that the coin was made for Scottish use since the Lion Rampant arms appear first (between the date)amongst the other arms. ​Just as the leopards of England appear first on the English milled coins from Charles II onwards.

Its certainly a confusing coin that raises lots of questions. It is entirely possible that the obverse and reverse dies were never supposed to go together in the first place. Perhaps Matthew Young (the guy who struck the coins in 1828) just put the dies from two separate patterns together. One intended for Scotland, the other for England/Great Britain. I don't think this is too far fetched since the first Jacobite coin (struck for the 1708 rising, dated 1709) presented the Old Pretender as James III of Great Britain.

Here is the obverse of the 1709 Jacobite coin that I mentioned above. There is only a single known specimen, it is currently on display at the British Museum.

How do those holders work?

something like this

Thanks, did you draw that or are those available commercially?

I sketched it but have seen similar contraptions in different museums, they are not really high tech you could make them yourself with a bit of crafting skills.

This was a interesting topic, too bad it lost interest. Here's one that I just added to my collection, maybe it'll get it started again:



This is a Hungarian silver Denar hammered between 1485. and 1490. in Vienna, Austria which was at the time occupied by the forces of Mátyás Hunyadi. Mátyás Hunyadi, as Hungarian King has occupied Vienna and Lower Austria in 1485; from that year on he has started to mint Hungarian type denársin Vienna. István (Spephanus) Szapolyai, as Governor of Lower of Austria, and Mátyás's Military General was responsible for the mintage, hence the shield in the obverse and the mar on the reverse: S-W stands for "Stephanus-Wien" or S-V "Stephanus-Vienna"

Fun facts about Mátyás Hunyadi: He established a professional army (the Black Army of Hungary), reformed the administration of justice, reduced the power of the barons, and promoted the careers of talented individuals chosen for their abilities rather than their social statuses. Matthias patronized art and science; his royal library, the Bibliotheca Corviniana, was one of the largest collections of books in Europe. With his patronage, Hungary became the first country to embrace the Renaissance from Italy. As Matthias the Just, the monarch who wandered among his subjects in disguise, he remains a popular hero of Hungarian folk tales.