It has come to my attention, though his forum signature, that our Catalogue Administrator now has a Patreon page specifically to raise funds for his work on Numista:
Most notable is this extract from the Patreon page:
"I can offer some forms of exlusivity for patrons. Each patron will be entitled for receiving the very same bulletin which admins send to lower tier admins and referees.
In addition, you can gain exclusive early notifications about other changes on the site."
Does this seem right? Do you think it is OK that you can pay money privately to one of the Numista "volunteers" in order to get access to special treatment on the Numista site?
I do think it’s odd. But at the same time, it doesn’t seem to disadvantage other members in any material way. So I’d also say why bother. In any case, he does do a lot of work, so if someone thinks it’s worth becoming a patron, I don’t see an issue personally. I think if anyone should care, it should be the site founder, Xavier.
First of all, I am glad somebody noticed. As you can see, it is put inside profile page, so Xavier obviously had something to do with it. He decided to have this option open for Team members for now, and depending on response, this could be also opened to referees.
As to what I offer - I thought it through, as I cannot offer anything that would create some "gold memberships" and so on. So only thing besides my own work offered is access to public information/notification about it.
As for why I created that? I am a student, I have last year of school before degree, I became engaged recently , and with all work/money and family stuff, I certainly will not have time to work on Numista as much as I do now. On the other hand, I love it here, I love the community and even the work on the catalogue. So the conclusion was easy - If I can get money doing what I love, I wont be forced to abandon my work here and go get money elsewhere in order to support family life.
Citeer: "Jarcek"First of all, I am glad somebody noticed. As you can see, it is put inside profile page, so Xavier obviously had something to do with it. He decided to have this option open for Team members for now, and depending on response, this could be also opened to referees.
As to what I offer - I thought it through, as I cannot offer anything that would create some "gold memberships" and so on. So only thing besides my own work offered is access to public information/notification about it.
As for why I created that? I am a student, I have last year of school before degree, I became engaged recently , and with all work/money and family stuff, I certainly will not have time to work on Numista as much as I do now. On the other hand, I love it here, I love the community and even the work on the catalogue. So the conclusion was easy - If I can get money doing what I love, I wont be forced to abandon my work here and go get money elsewhere in order to support family life.
I am sorry I seem to be arguing with you so much today, Jarcek, and I'm pleased if I have given you some publicity for your Patreon page.
I wish you the best, but I have some difficulty with what is happening here. If you were asking for money for Numista, I'd support you. However, you are asking for money for yourself, so that you can continue your volunteer work on Numista. I think that as soon as you are being paid, it isn't volunteer work anymore and this opens the door to people thinking they are entitled to more from Numista because they are sponsoring you.
This creates an A-list and a B-list group on Numista. A-listers will sponsor your hobby for you and get warned before things change. B-listers will have no advance warning of changes, will therefore not be able to contribute their opinions, and will be presented with everything after the fact. In this environment, everybody should have access to "public information/notification about" your work.
Ok. Well, Xavier did not wanted to have it for 'Numista' because it would destroy the non-profit page and there would be difficulties on how to divide the money.
I now see that the referee bulleting for ordinary members might be a mistake. This could be really saw as something you pay for. I wanted to give some rewards to people, so I will stick only to notifications on public things.
I already updated the Patreon page. Nobody will get anything until it happens.
Hey Jarcek, first of all, big congratulations with your recent engagement.
Secondly, I appreciate enormously what you (and all the others!) do for Numista, and you know that, every now and then I tell you that.
And I understand your problem completely. But I have some concerns too. Always when money is involved, problems start coming up (the best example are inheritances, but unfortunately not limited to that, always when money is involved it gets tricky). And don't worry, there will be people who envy you the moment you'll receive money for your work here. The next step is people saying: I don't care about contributions anymore, let Jarcek do all the work, he gets paid for it and we don't.
That's the kind of things that worries me and I'm not sure this development is good for Numista.
And it reminds me at another Team Member who did a lot of work for Numista in the past till he starts asking money for identifications and we all know how that ended. For the record, I'm absolutely not implying you would go that direction, I only give it as another example how strange things happen when money gets involved.
Another thing that bothers me a bit:
A big heading with "Teamworking" and then the sentence "Jaromír Cenek is creating Numista numismatic catalogue". There is no "teamworking" in that sentence and it's not fair to all the other contributors and Team members.
By the way, what I miss when I go to that website is a link to Numista, or to the Numista catalogue in particular. When people discover that website via another way than the link on your profile, there is a big chance they even don't know Numista. And they don't find any answers on those webpages what Numista is and what you're exactly doing.
To get more appreciation for your work and for Numista in general (and a bigger chance people start paying you), I would add a link to Numista on the website.
I was iffy about this at first, but I think it is fine for you to do what you want with it. If someone else wants to, they can do the exact same thing. Made a Patreon page, and put the link in their forum signature. Nothing wrong with that. But as far as the notifications, I don't know, not because I don't think it's a good idea, but because I think it could lead to problems as mentioned in other posts.
If you, as a Numista user, wants to contribute to him, feel free to go ahead through the patreon webpage.
If you, as a Numista user, does not want to contribute, just close that page on your browser and life goes on.
Wishing all the success for Jarcek. Keep up the motivation high.
I took a look at your webpage, and applaud your initiative. I think you have the right idea for making some money.
after reading through this thread, and thinking about it, I believe Essor Prof has a good point, Money can REALLY complicate simple things.
Even if you behave correctly others will not.....
That being said, I don't have a problem with a patron giving you money.
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
I'm uneasy with someone claiming money for volunteer work done on a free website when the owner and creator of the site has refused to do so. If you don't have the time to do the work then it would be better to hand over the reigns to someone who does rather than try to claim an income for doing it.
Citeer: "neilithicman"I'm uneasy with someone claiming money for volunteer work done on a free website when the owner and creator of the site has refused to do so. If you don't have the time to do the work then it would be better to hand over the reigns to someone who does rather than try to claim an income for doing it.
He isnt "Claiming" money, he "asking" for it, and people dont have to give if I dont want to.
It's the same difference, wanting money for a job that everyone else is doing for free, especially when by his own words, the owner and creator "did not wanted to have it for Numista because it would destroy the non-profit page and there would be difficulties on how to divide the money"
I would also enquire whether he has been given authority from Xavier to give out information to patrons that is supposed to only be privy to the administration team
Citeer: "neilithicman"
I would also enquire whether he has been given authority from Xavier to give out information to patrons that is supposed to only be privy to the administration team
I was giving it out on public forum anyway and referees are not bound by some "silence rules". But I already agreed this point was controversial, and so I already deleted that.
And do not worry, If I will have less time for Numista, I will pass the torch to someone else. This does not certainly mean that I am quitting unless I get something. :)
People have supported the worthwhile efforts of others via patronage since we climbed out of the trees. If it's entirely voluntary and sound judgement applied, there shouldn't be a problem.
Jarcek's character speaks for itself - the Numista website would be a much lesser place absent his many efforts.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
I support this.
The fact that the Numista is one of the biggest coin catalog on the Internet and it is completely free to use and modify is fascinating. The referees modify and improve the catalog for free and only by the power of will and love toward numismatics.
Citeer: "pnightingale"People have supported the worthwhile efforts of others via patronage since we climbed out of the trees. If it's entirely voluntary and sound judgement applied, there shouldn't be a problem.
Jarcek's character speaks for itself - the Numista website would be a much lesser place absent his many efforts.
Citeer: "pnightingale"People have supported the worthwhile efforts of others via patronage since we climbed out of the trees. If it's entirely voluntary and sound judgement applied, there shouldn't be a problem.
Jarcek's character speaks for itself - the Numista website would be a much lesser place absent his many efforts.
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Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
And the cake and eat it brigade are out in full again
By volunteering for the post he agreed that his time was given for free, if he no longer has time to do it he should resign.
He states that he would rather sit on his backside all day playing on his computer instead of getting a job, surely this is exactly what we are trying to get the youth of today to move away from.
He would be far better off getting a part time job which forces him to interact with the public and learn the kind of skills that are seriously lacking in the youth of today.
Money earned is far more respected and appreciated than money given, this is a major problem with the youth of today who have absolutely no comprehension of what WORK is.
If what he is doing is deemed as fine by a certain minority of the clique that exists on here then maybe they should put their hands in their own pockets and fund him, then again with so many hypocrites amongst them I doubt we will see any actions just more pointless posts.
We have already had 1 go fund me scam this year and look how that ended -
Regards, the lurker.
I deny nothing but doubt everything, opinions are made to be changed, how else is the truth to be gotten at.
It is not that ninebobnote is wrong, but I would rather trust Jar(c)ek much more. Numista would not be as vivid as it is now if Jar(c)ek did not help. Surely, we can proceed without him. Only that the catalogue may be like a Swiss cheese: Filled with holes and gaps.
He devoted so much time to Numista to help the catalogue and now he is occupied. I would be delightful to help him if I could.
Definitely, money earned is more significant and appreciated than money given. But if this is always the case, why does charity exist? Why do UNICEF and Helping Hand exist? Not everyone has vacant time to earn the money they need after their passionate devotion to the community.
Citeer: "Ninebobnote"
He states that he would rather sit on his backside all day playing on his computer instead of getting a job, surely this is exactly what we are trying to get the youth of today to move away from.
He would be far better off getting a part time job which forces him to interact with the public and learn the kind of skills that are seriously lacking in the youth of today.
Money earned is far more respected and appreciated than money given, this is a major problem with the youth of today who have absolutely no comprehension of what WORK is.
A job is anything someone else agrees to pay you for, if someone wants to give the op money for his contributions on numista then that is his job or at least part time job.
Some of the hardest, best paid jobs today are done by people "sitting on their backsides all day playing on their computers".
While I agree that a lot of young people need to learn work ethics I also think older generations need to learn there are other jobs beside swinging a hammer..
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Having started this thread, I've taken a few days to read the responses and think about where I stand on this. Honestly, I have nothing against Jarcek and I am grateful to everyone who serves the Numista community as part of the team.
With that said, my surprise and disappointment at seeing this Patreon page has not abated. I simply don't think that this is right, and that many other things that are not right have come up in the ensuing conversation. So, in no particular order, here is what I think.
1. I don't think it is OK to do a job on a volunteer basis for a non-profit community, and then ask members of that community for money to do that job. I recognise that the form of such things might vary in different parts of the world but, at least in my cultural environment, that is completely unacceptable.
2. I also don't think it is OK to give anybody who does donate their money any special privileges or notifications at all. These privileges, still listed on the Patreon page, comprise advance notification of Numisdoc articles and advance notification of changes to the country list. Not only would such information be useful to all Numista members, but these privileges are not Jarcek's to grant.
3. In the context of Numista, there is no "own work". Either one is doing things for Numista, in which case the work belongs to Xavier (or, perhaps if Xavier were to view things kindly, to the community) or not.
4. I think that the hero-worship of members of the admin team is quite disturbing. Somebody has even said of Jarcek, "Numista website would be a much lesser place absent his many efforts." With all due respect to Jarcek and the important work he has done, there was a time before he joined when everything worked very well around here. While his stats, also quoted in this thread, are very impressive, it should be remembered that he has been working as a catalogue administrator which would, in itself, require him to do the tasks that result in these great stats. The point here is that Jarcek is not magic. He has been a great catalog administrator, but the good thing here is that Numista created the role of catalogue administrator, not the nature of the specific person filling the role. If Jarcek were not here, someone else would have been catalogue administrator and they would also have done a good job.
5. There have been controversies during Jarcek's time as catalogue administrator and not everybody is in agreement with many of the changes that have been implemented. Someone else may have done things differently. While there certainly is admiration of Jarcek's energy, the idea that he is indispensable and always right is far from universal acceptance.
6. Jarcek's explanations are not consistent.
On 18 December, he said: "I am a student, I have last year of school before degree, I became engaged recently , and with all work/money and family stuff, I certainly will not have time to work on Numista as much as I do now. On the other hand, I love it here, I love the community and even the work on the catalogue. So the conclusion was easy - If I can get money doing what I love, I wont be forced to abandon my work here and go get money elsewhere in order to support family life."
On 20 December, he said: "And do not worry, If I will have less time for Numista, I will pass the torch to someone else. This does not certainly mean that I am quitting unless I get something. :)"
So, is he being forced to abandon his work here because of financial constraints, or is he just shaking the tree to see what falls out? I am sure many of us would like to spend more of our time doing things we really enjoy but asking for donations in order to do that is an extremely unusual course of action.
Yeah, I know that my judgements of this situation are not going to be universally popular but I think that Jarcek has made a mistake in pursuing this course of action, and I think Numista would be making a massive mistake in allowing this precedent.
1. I am not asking, I give you the option. I can live without it, as numista will and numista will surely live without me.
2. I acknowledged potential problem and put that away. Notifications are on what happened not on what is about to happen. So instead of looking up info somewhere you could get a newsletter.
3. Certainly I do not own what I do, but the work is my own anyway.
4./5. If anyone wants my job, oh please, raise your hand, I will teach you all I do and let you do it. That offer is still open. If you dislike what I am doing, tell Xavier and Pejounet, nothing is easier.
6. Maybe it is not as clear as it should be, but the answer is there. I still have a year of study before me, and only after that, I expect problems working here as much as I do now. Rest stands, If I dont get enough time for Numista, I will pass the torch.
I do some work here actually, instead of mocking members and intoxicating the forum. :)
I feel like this is not a way forward though. I would like to encourage the ones who hate me to do actually some work on numista, because that is what brings the hatred. Because no matter whatever I do, somebody is going to dislike it. Who does nothing makes nothing wrong.
Consider this closed case, and do some effort to make this a better place.
Citeer: "Jarcek"I do some work here actually, instead of mocking members and intoxicating the forum. :)
I feel like this is not a way forward though. I would like to encourage the ones who hate me to do actually some work on numista, because that is what brings the hatred. Because no matter whatever I do, somebody is going to dislike it. Who does nothing makes nothing wrong.
Consider this closed case, and do some effort to make this a better place.
Jarek
So now you declare the conversation questioning your own behaviour to be closed?
Jarcek, recognise the fact that this is not about the work you do here. You have asked for money. (Not "given us the option" - you are actively fundraising.) I don't think that is cool. Lots of other people don't think that is cool. We have a right to raise this point and express our opinions.
Nobody is mocking you, and I actually do work on Numista already. Perhaps you need to take some time for self-reflection.
Citeer: "Jarcek"I do some work here actually, instead of mocking members and intoxicating the forum. :)
I feel like this is not a way forward though. I would like to encourage the ones who hate me to do actually some work on numista, because that is what brings the hatred. Because no matter whatever I do, somebody is going to dislike it. Who does nothing makes nothing wrong.
Consider this closed case, and do some effort to make this a better place.
Jarek
I, for one, 100% agree with everything that Jarcek does. I find NOTHING wrong with anything he is doing, and find it amazing that the very people who are attacking him about his position, have not done much (if any) work for the catalog. andrewdotcoza for example is a referee for 3 countries and has added 6 coins. Really?
The community remains just as it ever was, unfortunately it's public face, i.e. the Forum has been marred by a small clique of over opinionated juveniles and socially inept malcontents. They've always been around but usually they crop up as isolated aberrations and quickly move on. This time we seem to have a half dozen or so offering each other a mutually supportive circle jerk, so it may take a bit longer. Perhaps The Hamster will save us?
A couple of perma bans followed by a firm warning to those who are redeemable would solve the problem overnight.
I'm not of course referring to the OP who has presented a case politely and respectfully with which I happen to disagree with in some parts. That's a healthy discussion. I should however address point #4, as it seem to be directed at me rather than Jarcek.
There's a huge difference between the vaguely offensive "hero worship" implied and a relationship built first on friendship and secondly on an abiding respect for an accomplished historian / numismatist. To misrepresent this as some kind of fanboi / Justin Bieber relationship undermines the credibility of the rest of the case. I have a framed photo of Ronnie Van Zant and a colorized litho of Gen. Forrest on the walls of my study but I can assure y'all that despite him being a fine looking fellow, there's no picture of our dear Jarcek.
No, the Numista ship was not heading in a good direction in this supposed pre-Jarcek golden age. The admin team was largely ignorant kids or hustlers misusing the title to steal coins, either directly of via some coin ID for cash scam. I'm very grateful that the Numista team of 2017 is made up of better men.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
The biggest improvement that Numista could experience right now would be the elimination of this forum, the Free Discussion Forum. It appears to be the breeding ground for a lot of non-numismatic BS, discontent and soapbox grandstanding. If you don't have anything to say about numismatics then use the other social media outlets to voice meaningless diatribes.
Citeer: "andrewdotcoza"1. I don't think it is OK to do a job on a volunteer basis for a non-profit community, and then ask members of that community for money to do that job. I recognise that the form of such things might vary in different parts of the world but, at least in my cultural environment, that is completely unacceptable.
here i actually agree with you..if someone would get donations for his work, it would be xavier himself, cuz i think we can all agree that without xavier there would definitely not be a numista..
on the other hand, there's nothing wrong in spreading your patreon account, in the end of the day it's all up to each one of us to decide if we want to donate or not..
Citeer: "pnightingale".... the Forum has been marred by a small clique of over opinionated juveniles and socially inept malcontents.
I can't help but feel this is a little bit too 'judgement from the moral high ground' so I'll just leave this here, for those who'll understand the reference.
Jarcek:
3132 coins added, 5710 years added, 24655 coins edited, 11680 years edited
vs
andrewdotcoza:
6 coins added, 21 years added, 56 coins edited, 6 years edited
Ninebobnote:
0
SRV5490:
4 coins added, 24 years added, 59 coins edited, 0 years edited
You guys just can't imagine HOW MANY hours and days of work Jarcek spent to make this catalogue as good as it is now. Of course it's easier to put all the energy into forum discussion blaming Numista team member instead of creating few entries for the catalogue. The question of whether he should get donations or not is his own decision - you just don't donate if you don't like it. If I were Jarcek, the level of my motivation would decrease immensely after your words, lads. The worst thing in any 'job' is feeling of not being appreciated.
Jarcek, it’s like you said, you can’t please everyone, I recommend putting your page back up!
You know some people won’t support you, but don’t worry about that, perhaps no one will, perhaps you will have a patron, that’s the whole idea of a patron.
To the rest of you angry guys willing to cast stones, patrons are not employers.......
they support things like..... volunteers!
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
One other thing, Xavier gave the green light, it’s like y’all have said, it’s his site, so you are actually the hypocrites here. Jarcek Xavier said you could do it, put your page up, ignore these guys, case closed!
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
The debate is about the rewards, so if Xavier approves, Jarcek is perfectly fine.
Have you ever donated to a charity before? This is because you want the world improve. So what is wrong with Jarcek fund raising? He is helping Numista improve.
There is no problem in disagreeing with his actions only if you can equal his efforts.
Citeer: "Oklahoman"Really? There was a time before Jarcek when everything ran well here?
I have lost respect for your opinion, how can you really say this, you’ve only been here a short while, you were not here when the site almost closed permanently and many good team members left, numista way actually on life support when jarcek came along.
But you don’t know any of that, because you were not here.
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
I can confirm redsmithstudios. This site was at the brink of destruction at some point.
80% of all hard work/entrys were deleted by a French maniac, 2 admins where scamming people without any remorse, several failed competitions and the most honourable users getting banned.
I think Jarcek attempt was just half-baked. It reminded me of the grab cash and run project called Numista token. Sorry.
PS: I don't care what's happening in the circlejerk of Numista referees nor would I ever pay for it. CassTaylor often bugs with stupid pm so I get the infos anyway.
Also the sum of 100 bucks is somehow weird.
A court order to hand a child over is exactly that and no amount of lawyers will ever change the wishes of the court.
Many paths need to be trodden in order for it to get to this point, the courts had clearly exhausted all other avenues and it becomes very clear who the PROBLEM is.
You can get as many people as you like to donate towards the cause, it wont change a single thing as a court order requires Exceptional Evidence for it to be overturned.
Posting messages of false hope which encouraged members to part with more of their coins in pursuit of your own personal desire, again you knew that it was a waste of THEIR money.
Sporadic posts claiming that the birth mother was a drug addled fiend.
The end result - the person that members helped pay for sabotaged Phils day in court. ( how convenient )
Whilst we all have reservations about the legal system it strikes me as very odd that a judge would agree on a young child being handed over to a drug fiend, maybe staying were she was had become a greater danger and the courts acted so.
As for the representative sabotaging the day in court, sounds like she saw through your lying & manipulative ways and was not impressed by it at all and that it clearly was not acting in the best interest of the child.
All I saw was emotional blackmail, you knew what the result was going to be so why keep posting messages of false hope ?
Then to dismiss the whole event as " sabotaged " strikes me as the words of a liar who knew weeks before that he would not be taking the child home with him, what better way to end it all than blaming a 3rd party who has no voice.
Not everyone is easily manipulated or blind, I am capable of breaking things down and seeing them for what they really are ( its called life experience ) and in this case Phil pulled off 1 of the best coin scams I have ever seen.
He KNEW that the child was being handed over, he KNEW there was nothing he could do about it, yet he still got members to help fund his pointless representative who he claims sabotaged his day in court.
Lots of emotional blackmail & lies, which ended exactly the way he expected.
Why wash your dirty laundry in public when you can do it quietly & privately ?
Maybe the courts had a similar thought process.
I deny nothing but doubt everything, opinions are made to be changed, how else is the truth to be gotten at.
Citeer: "Ninebobnote"Elaborate.
A court order to hand a child over is exactly that and no amount of lawyers will ever change the wishes of the court.
Many paths need to be trodden in order for it to get to this point, the courts had clearly exhausted all other avenues and it becomes very clear who the PROBLEM is.
You can get as many people as you like to donate towards the cause, it wont change a single thing as a court order requires Exceptional Evidence for it to be overturned.
Posting messages of false hope which encouraged members to part with more of their coins in pursuit of your own personal desire, again you knew that it was a waste of THEIR money.
Sporadic posts claiming that the birth mother was a drug addled fiend.
The end result - the person that members helped pay for sabotaged Phils day in court. ( how convenient )
Whilst we all have reservations about the legal system it strikes me as very odd that a judge would agree on a young child being handed over to a drug fiend, maybe staying were she was had become a greater danger and the courts acted so.
As for the representative sabotaging the day in court, sounds like she saw through your lying & manipulative ways and was not impressed by it at all and that it clearly was not acting in the best interest of the child.
All I saw was emotional blackmail, you knew what the result was going to be so why keep posting messages of false hope ?
Then to dismiss the whole event as " sabotaged " strikes me as the words of a liar who knew weeks before that he would not be taking the child home with him, what better way to end it all than blaming a 3rd party who has no voice.
Not everyone is easily manipulated or blind, I am capable of breaking things down and seeing them for what they really are ( its called life experience ) and in this case Phil pulled off 1 of the best coin scams I have ever seen.
He KNEW that the child was being handed over, he KNEW there was nothing he could do about it, yet he still got members to help fund his pointless representative who he claims sabotaged his day in court.
Lots of emotional blackmail & lies, which ended exactly the way he expected.
Why wash your dirty laundry in public when you can do it quietly & privately ?
Maybe the courts had a similar thought process.
TLDR
I wasn't asking for your in depth, professional analysis of how the US court system works. I was just wanting to confirm that you are the shitty low rent garbage that everyone assumes you to be, which you have accomplished far better that any effort of mine could have done.
So your "evidence" for this "scam" is the ramblings of a sad, disturbed little man who was ostracized last Christmas after timestamped text messages revealed you to be lying about the fact that The Hamster was refusing to send you a present. It turned out that it was you who was refusing to accept it in order to derail a fun, charming event. After lurking for an entire year, you reappear to disrupt the current event.... what kind of obsessive nutjob does that?
You are a nasty little puke, bad mouthing better people who have done you no harm from the safety of your keyboard. Pathetic.
I have nothing more to say to you.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Maybe Phil did pull off the biggest coin con in numista history. It’s possible.
But to address something else you said.
if you think the courts are benevolent kind hearted, wise, just ,pure judging entity, you are mistaken. The courts are made of people, people consistently are selfish and make bad choices, every day they make huge mistakes, not from a lack of good information, but simply for bad reasons. They certainly take children away from loving homes and put them in bad situations simply because of DNA. So your assumption that Phil is wrong because the courts took the child away is Preposterous.
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
Relax Red. I was here before Jarcek was in his present role. It was not pretty. I think you might have misunderstood me. My point is that it has run extremely well since Jarcek has had a role in the running.
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Red! I am agreeing with you in every way! Are you mad because you misunderstand? I was saying it was not so great before Jarcek had a role...you and I actually are saying the same thing. I was not disagreeing with Jarcek, but disagreeing with those giving Jarcek difficulty. Everything I have said is 100 percent in support of Jarcek. And I do remember how unpleasant it was.
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Numista is built thanks to the contributions of the community and volunteers, who dedicate time to improve the catalogue and the rest of the website. The involvement of volunteers is the way Numista has grown and became what it is now, and it should continue if we want to keep improving the catalogue.
All contributors are cataloging only because of their passion. I am not be in favour to pay for the contributions. Still I fully support to allow the community to reward the contributors. And if, as result, the reward avoids money constraints to a student and let him dedicate more time to studies and improvement of Numista, I can only approve.
The link to Patreon on the profile is currently available to Numista team members, but I also encourage all contributors of Numista to create a Patreon page. This way everyone can freely choose to support those who make small or big contributions to the community.
Citeer: "Oklahoman"Relax Red. I was here before Jarcek was in his present role. It was not pretty. I think you might have misunderstood me. My point is that it has run extremely well since Jarcek has had a role in the running.
sorry for the misunderstanding, I read it one way, but I see how you meant it another way. My apologies.
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
Genius level trolling art preserved for posterity -
Hello, my name is Mr. Muenzenhamster. I enhance free numista coin forum. You can see it here: en.numista.com/forum
I started as an average bloke and through hard work I rose into position of a forum member, having regular discussions with other members on site. I also organise very popular contests and defend users against hutt-river cyberbullies.
Why? Besides most obvious benefit - better and more complete numista forum, I can offer you exclusive early notifications about changes on the forum since i monitor it very closely.
Warm regards,
Muenzenhamster
Thanks for everything you do to make the world a brighter place. I wouldn't have believed that one man could make so many dance for a silver coin. Great artists are seldom appreciated during their lifetimes.
You are Hutt River's Van Gogh.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Citeer: "Xavier"Hello,
Numista is built thanks to the contributions of the community and volunteers, who dedicate time to improve the catalogue and the rest of the website. The involvement of volunteers is the way Numista has grown and became what it is now, and it should continue if we want to keep improving the catalogue.
All contributors are cataloging only because of their passion. I am not be in favour to pay for the contributions. Still I fully support to allow the community to reward the contributors. And if, as result, the reward avoids money constraints to a student and let him dedicate more time to studies and improvement of Numista, I can only approve.
The link to Patreon on the profile is currently available to Numista team members, but I also encourage all contributors of Numista to create a Patreon page. This way everyone can freely choose to support those who make small or big contributions to the community.
Thanks Xavier. There you have it folks. I initially was not comfortable with the idea because as I said, if the organiser of the site was not happy with taking money for the site, I didn't see why anyone else should be profiting from it. But Xavier has given the green light so I don't see why Jarcek should not put his page back up. I wouldn't put money into it, but if anyone does, then all power to you.
Citeer: "nthn"He gave the green light from the VERY start! He was the one who let them put that link on their profile in the first place!
I didn't read that bit, I just saw his comment "Ok. Well, Xavier did not wanted to have it for 'Numista' because it would destroy the non-profit page and there would be difficulties on how to divide the money."
Why do people always have to find something to argue about. Who cares if he wants donations for his efforts either give it to him or don't but I think all of this isn't needed.
Its not like you have to pay him it's more like a thank you
Matt
Citeer: "druzhynets"Jarcek:
3132 coins added, 5710 years added, 24655 coins edited, 11680 years edited
vs
andrewdotcoza:
6 coins added, 21 years added, 56 coins edited, 6 years edited
Ninebobnote:
0
SRV5490:
4 coins added, 24 years added, 59 coins edited, 0 years edited
You guys just can't imagine HOW MANY hours and days of work Jarcek spent to make this catalogue as good as it is now. Of course it's easier to put all the energy into forum discussion blaming Numista team member instead of creating few entries for the catalogue. The question of whether he should get donations or not is his own decision - you just don't donate if you don't like it. If I were Jarcek, the level of my motivation would decrease immensely after your words, lads. The worst thing in any 'job' is feeling of not being appreciated.
Read my post again or have someone translate it for you. I never said anything about Jarcek's contributions or his desire to make some money. I could care less about a stranger's personal life. I was speaking about the folks who use this forum to spew their BS.
Citeer: "Oklahoman"Free discussion forum...but only about specific topics...not so free...hmmm...
I said eliminate the Free Discussion forum, not limit the topic issues. The part about, "If you don't have anything to say about numismatics then use the other social media outlets..." was just what I believe this site should be about.
As you can see, it is put inside profile page, so Xavier obviously had something to do with it. He decided to have this option open for Team members for now, and depending on response, this could be also opened to referees. 
, and with all work/money and family stuff, I certainly will not have time to work on Numista as much as I do now. On the other hand, I love it here, I love the community and even the work on the catalogue. So the conclusion was easy - If I can get money doing what I love, I wont be forced to abandon my work here and go get money elsewhere in order to support family life. 
