I have bought in auktion this thaler of Ferdinand II - Tirol. But I am not sure if it is fake or not. Because both sides of coin looks "used" but edge look "unused" and sharp, so I am little bit confused. What do you think about that ?
d = 40,3 mm
t = 2,5 mm
m = 28 - 29 g
No, I didnt make silver tests.But I think it silver... Cost was 140e. And it was bought in auction at most "famous" auction house in CZ. I know that there is many many, variants of this coin,... unfortunately.
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There are many variations of this coin, I will not give a reason to return - because the coin was from the stone trade auction so I would trust
Are shops in the Czech Republic selling replicas of old coins (not confusing for counterfeits) are mentioned by the seller that it is a replica
The price is the right thaler and is often on offer https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=sale&sid=477&cid=13827&v=1
However, as you mentioned, there are very many variants. Those thalers were produced by the rotating dies technique in Hall, and there are plenty of combinations of obverse-reverse.
Looking carefully in Moser Tursky, yours would be a combination of obverse of MT#266, legend ending with a rosette, and reverse of MT#272. The latter is the only one depicted with no punctuation at all on the reverse legend.
You coin looks slightly bent, which fits with the technique. But for edges, I lack experience on those. You have to show it to a coin dealer used to handle those. But I would trust the auction house (maybe ask them
There is a die crack on the obverse going from the armour to the letter E of FERD that I have never seen yet.
Good luck in your research. Try a density measure. Quite easy to do. It should be 875 silver.
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Out of 29 types pictured in Moser Tursky, 5 have the rosette. The author considers those as older types (closer to 1577). The other 4 have a smaller bust, the crown does not break the circle on top.
Citeer: "Ecapoe"Out of 29 types pictured in Moser Tursky, 5 have the rosette. The author considers those as older types (closer to 1577). The other 4 have a smaller bust, the crown does not break the circle on top.
Your density is a bit too low, just that of copper. Did you try this ? https://fr.numista.com/numisdoc/measure-a-coin-s-density-27.html
With .875 silver, you should get 10.3.
I didnt try that method, I am going to try it. But I am not sure how much we can rely on that it will be exactly silver .875. Because I think that sometimes in that times they put there less silver as they officially claim...
Citeer: "Ecapoe"Out of 29 types pictured in Moser Tursky, 5 have the rosette. The author considers those as older types (closer to 1577). The other 4 have a smaller bust, the crown does not break the circle on top.
Your density is a bit too low, just that of copper. Did you try this ? https://fr.numista.com/numisdoc/measure-a-coin-s-density-27.html
With .875 silver, you should get 10.3.
I didnt try that method, I am going to try it. But I am not sure how much we can rely on that it will be exactly silver .875. Because I think that sometimes in that times they put there less silver as they officially claim...
So I have tried this method and result is ~9.5. But I didnt have so precision scale, my is on 1g. So probably it is not so exact.
