Which is the best Bullion coin? [opgelost]

Hi,
I would like to see what the Numista public thinks about these two coins;
Vote A or B,

A - 2018 Royal Mint Year of the dog coin
B - 2018 Perth Mint Year of the dog coin

Vote ends 10th February.
Happy voting!

B without a doubt

B

B !

For reference...
https://www.royalmintbullion.com/Products/Lunar/Silver/UK18D1SC
https://www.bullionbypost.co.uk/silver-coins/perth-mint-silver-lunar-series/1oz-perth-mint-silver-year-dog/

P.S.
We all Know who shall win!

Possibly the 2018 Royal Mint lunar dog may become scarce as a collector coin due to low demand.
I'll try to get one incase with pocket change I'm saving up.

I haven't voted until now because I'm not interested in bullion coins... but I'll go B with the crowd.

B, but this is the best bullion coin. https://www.google.com/search?q=1988+silver+maple+leaf+coin&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS745US745&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi1urGfhpLZAhVL7GMKHV64Co8Q_AUICygC&biw=1600&bih=794#imgrc=C1Y_t-KCbEW7JM:

Citeer: "redsmithstudios"​B, but this is the best bullion coin. https://www.google.com/search?q=1988+silver+maple+leaf+coin&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS745US745&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi1urGfhpLZAhVL7GMKHV64Co8Q_AUICygC&biw=1600&bih=794#imgrc=C1Y_t-KCbEW7JM:

Too right, you can't say no to a silver maple!​
The new .9999 silver and impressive security feature are ace.
Canadian I guess redsmithstudios?

Citeer: "redsmithstudios"​B, but this is the best bullion coin. https://www.google.com/search?q=1988+silver+maple+leaf+coin&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS745US745&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi1urGfhpLZAhVL7GMKHV64Co8Q_AUICygC&biw=1600&bih=794#imgrc=C1Y_t-KCbEW7JM:

The new Kangaroo's are great too,
It reminds me of my aussie friends​ and .9999
also VAT on any non uk bullion so at least it is around maple price.

A for sure, I don't know but I have a great tast of coins prodiced by Royal Mint or Paris Mint.

Citeer: "Subha Barua"​A for sure, I don't know but I have a great tast of coins prodiced by Royal Mint or Paris Mint.

They are a good mix of bullion and semi-numi so possible premiums when you sell​

5:1 so far...

Last day to vote...

whoever suggests Monnaie de Paris for bullion has clearly no clue.

maple
eagle
kangaroo
britannia
philharmonic

Citeer: "Muenzenhamster"​whoever suggests Monnaie de Paris for bullion has clearly no clue.
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These two are more semi-numis, you're right about your list.​

Citeer: "Muenzenhamster"​whoever suggests Monnaie de Paris for bullion has clearly no clue.
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​I prefer britannias as they are vat free.
An urksome thing in the uk.

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Citeer: "Muenzenhamster"​whoever suggests Monnaie de Paris for bullion has clearly no clue.
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​These are more semi-numis, you're right about your list.​

​He included the kangaroo but forgot about Pandas, Krugerrands and Libertads?

Although I agree with our Hutt River friend on the fact that the Monnaie de Paris is lagging significantly when it comes to Bullion. Probably because the more prominent Eurozone bullion coin is the Philharmonic.

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Citeer: "Muenzenhamster"​whoever suggests Monnaie de Paris for bullion has clearly no clue.
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​​These are more semi-numis, you're right about your list.​

​​He included the kangaroo but forgot about Pandas, Krugerrands and Libertads?
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​Although I agree with our Hutt River friend on the fact that the Monnaie de Paris is lagging significantly when it comes to Bullion. Probably because the more prominent Eurozone bullion coin is the Philharmonic.

Do France have a national bullion coin? I've never seen one apart from the terrible 333/999 coins. You might as well by junk silver.

Ok one may add the libertads to bullion eventhough they are not near spot.

Krugerrand and Pandas carry a hefty premium and therefor cannot be considered pure bullion. But ok i am not a female referee.

Citeer: "Muenzenhamster"​Ok one may add the libertads to bullion eventhough they are not near spot.
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​Krugerrand and Pandas carry a hefty premium and therefor cannot be considered pure bullion. But ok i am not a female referee.
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Kugerands are more semi-numi to so I wouldn't consider stacking them for weight.
It's more of a novelty than a bullion coin.
The gold coins are good though.​

yes the gold are fine, the silver are useless at the moment

Kinda off topic but may I ask. why bullion coins? Stagnant numismatic values along with a rising bullion price have gifted us the opportunity to pick up coins with real significance for only marginally more than the cost of meaningless bullion coins.

Don't get me wrong, I have plenty myself and think many of them are quite beautiful. I sold a great deal of gold and silver coins while fighting a very costly legal battle to keep our cherished Abby** where she belongs but much still remains. On general principle I won't buy anything made in China but I think I've got at least one example of all of the others mentioned. Except oddly enough, not a single Britannia. I don't quite know why, I have more Brit contacts than any other country. I reckon none has ever presented itself at the right price.

I don't actively seek out bullion coins but as you may imagine, over many years of active trading I've acquired quite the hoard. Along with junk silver I think they are a great medium of exchange and also a great way to store wealth. So unless they have a numismatic value roughly equivalent to $45 - $50 per ounce, I'll just leave them at the bank until that day inevitably arrives. There's stuff at the back of our safe deposit boxes that hasn't seen the light of day since "W" was serving his first term. The point being of course that I regard these coins in the same way as junk silver, great to own, sometimes great to look at, but not really a part of my coin collection. Makes sense?

There are some coins which while they are strictly speaking bullion, they are just so beautiful that I don't want them consigned to the bank. My favorites are these two Mexican coins which I'll sometimes take out of the safe for a day or two and leave them on my desk where I can just enjoy looking at them.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces13398.html

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces18808.html

The KM 614 Two Onza in particular is just gorgeous. Mexico is blessed to have engravers on a par with the great 19th century European masters. Who couldn't love a coin like that? (I got mine from a Mexican lawn feller in exchange for my old mower and leaf blower.) But y'know what? I'd swap them for comparable high grade Victorian silver in a heartbeat, pretty or not. That's what I collect and I'm very much a collector first and investor second.

Of course not everyone sees things the same way, that's why we do swaps so often right? It just wouldn't work if everyone wanted the same coins and offered the same stuff. However even if your tastes run more towards the investor side of the curve there's something else to consider.......

If you have let's say $325 that you want to invest you could buy a bullion coin with, oh maybe $300 of actual gold content. Or you could take that same money and buy a very beautiful, historically significant, Victorian Sovereign with the William Wyon obverse and Benedetto Pistrucci "St. George and Dragon" reverse - the absolute pinnacle of the engraver's art with two of the all time masters on the same coin. (for silver bugs please substitute the word Crown for Sovereign) It seems like a no-brainer to me. But wait there's more......

Imagine if the price of gold tanks. All it would take is the discovery of a massive new gold field so it's possible, or maybe you really can turn lead into gold. What would happen to your investment? It would be circling the toilet bowl, that's what. However if you had put the money into something with a distinct and separate numismatic value, demand from collectors would provide you with a numismatic safety net, a floor below which your investment can't fall no matter what the goings on in the commodities market*. It's virtually a free insurance policy.

Why do I care so much? Well, partly because I like to see my fellow man prosper but also because it's good for a hobby which has given me over 50 years of fulfillment. When you buy a bullion coin from the mint you are only marginally improving the health of the market. If however you are looking for venerable old coins, the increase in demand increases both the value of your own collection, the number of dealers and the incentive for coin bloodhounds to bring new coins to the market.

Disclaimer: Ultimately the decision is yours to make. I'm not a qualified investment advisor, just a humble collector with a vested interest in a healthy, thriving coin market. There are a thousand ways to get blindsided, ask anyone who invested in stamps, beanie babes, baseball cards or Hillary's 2016 campaign.

Not a Disclaimer: Y'all should listen though. Momma didn't raise no fool.


* There will be some knock on effects which might depress catalog values in the short term but as the market has been largely flatlined since the 70s I don't believe these will be significant. There's just not enough space downhill for coin prices.

** I loved that little girl so much. Here's something for those of you who knew her.



Wiafu: I'm going to the store, keep an eye on Abby.
Me: Sure.... quit worrying.
Wiafu: I mean it!
Me: We're going to watch Braveheart together, what could go wrong?
Abby: FREEEEEDOMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!

Citeer: "Muenzenhamster"​yes the gold are fine, the silver are useless at the moment

You would need to keep the high premium​ silver for a while as the bullion value would not do it justice.

Citeer: "pnightingale"​
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​If you have let's say $325 that you want to invest you could buy a bullion coin with, oh maybe $300 of actual gold content. Or you could take that same money and buy a very beautiful, historically significant, Victorian Sovereign with the William Wyon obverse and Benedetto Pistrucci "St. George and Dragon" reverse - the absolute pinnacle of the engraver's art with two of the all time masters on the same coin. (for silver bugs please substitute the word Crown for Sovereign) It seems like a no-brainer to me. But wait there's more......
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​Imagine if the price of gold tanks. All it would take is the discovery of a massive new gold field so it's possible, or maybe you really can turn lead into gold. What would happen to your investment? It would be circling the toilet bowl, that's what. However if you had put the money into something with a distinct and separate numismatic value, demand from collectors would provide you with a numismatic safety net, a floor below which your investment can't fall no matter what the goings on in the commodities market*. It's virtually a free insurance policy.
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​I would try to have a heathy stack of bullion and some junk but diversify with historic masterpieces.
If I did have say £250 I would allocate it to my stack, then I would save up for a really interesting coin of numismatic value. It would be a dream to own this coin and may gain value even when silver or gold is flat.

P.s. It would probably be a gold guinea or sovereign (childhood dream to own one and also very pretty)

Citeer: "pnightingale"​On general principle I won't buy anything made in China but I think I've got at least one example of all of the others mentioned. Except oddly enough, not a single Britannia.
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The reason I have so many is that they are a VAT free coin, VAT = 20%
I would recommend one, due to its stunning design, but as you are in the US not many more​.

P.s. I too steer clear from China eg. pandas (too many fakes)

N.uk

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Citeer: "Pnightingale"​
​There are some coins which while they are strictly speaking bullion, they are just so beautiful that I don't want them consigned to the bank. My favorites are these two Mexican coins which I'll sometimes take out of the safe for a day or two and leave them on my desk where I can just enjoy looking at them.
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1.Beautiful Mexicans, I have none myself (yet)​

2. HaHaHa

3. Looks like a great kid! Lots of fun.

Perth Mint : 5 - WINNER
Royal Mint : 1

I spent a lot of time narrowing my collection from basically any coin, from any time, anywhere, to a very specific focus. But my friend, I would be lying to you if I said I'm not frequently tempted to collect Mexican coins. Quite apart from being very underpriced (in my humble opinion) there's enough scope to keep any collector busy for two lifetimes. Imagine owning a coin struck at the direction of Pancho Villa?

They are also widely found in Florida as we're just a brisk swim across the Gulf of Mexico from our neighbors. In just the past few years I've turned up some genuine rarities, including some revolutionary emergency issues, which are now gracing the collections of several Numista friends

If silver is your thing try looking at the issues from the late 1940s - early 1950s. 20 centavos and upwards, I don't think there's a single one which can't be found for much more than scrap metal prices.

Citeer: "pnightingale"​I spent a lot of time narrowing my collection from basically any coin, from any time, anywhere, to a very specific focus. But my friend, I would be lying to you if I said I'm not frequently tempted to collect Mexican coins. Quite apart from being very underpriced (in my humble opinion) there's enough scope to keep any collector busy for two lifetimes. Imagine owning a coin struck at the direction of Pancho Villa?
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​They are also widely found in Florida as we're just a brisk swim across the Gulf of Mexico from our neighbors. In just the past few years I've turned up some genuine rarities, including some revolutionary emergency issues, which are now gracing the collections of several Numista friends
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​If silver is your thing try looking at the issues from the late 1940s - early 1950s. 20 centavos and upwards, I don't think there's a single one which can't be found for much more than scrap metal prices.
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Thanks for the recommendations!
I have already planned my stack and collection objective for 2018 but now I can sneek in a few crafty 20 centavos.
Many thanks,

N.uk

Check out the commemorative silver currency of andorra

Citeer: "vikram216"​Check out the commemorative silver currency of andorra

The silver, gold and copper are beautiful!
I unfortunately can't get any here in the uk,
imagine the VAT!​
Here is a previous thread...
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic66826.html