Also planing to sell these coins, but don’t know a fair value. I thought they were worth $80 each and would be a good deal at $65 each, what are your thoughts? Thanks
The first coin isn't too valuable, I think since Kwangtung is one of the most common provinces to find Chinese Empire/Republic coins from outside China itself.
I really can't say for the second silver coin, but the junk dollar looks nice and silver, so fine to me.
Citeer: "redsmithstudios"They are both silver and the guy that’s good at identifying fakes said they were spot on, what do you see that suggests otherwise?
They are also from a very old collection and were not acquired within the last ten to twenty years.
- Take them out the holders to make good pictures. These holders disturb the image
- the color of the second has a yellow undertone (silverplated?)
- the spots on the cheek of the first coin
- these coins were forged/copied since the beginning
I hope the are real....
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I just don't understand why I cant find any that have sold on the market other than two high priced examples. It also has a rarity index of 90, so if its low value and common, were are they all? I'll just assume I shouldn't sell mine for $5, and buy any I can find....
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
Citeer: "redsmithstudios" They are also from a very old collection and were not acquired within the last ten to twenty years.
That is the problem. I had a lot of chinese coins, where the (very old) collector said they were real.
A new research proved the almost all are fakes/replica's/forgeries.
These old guys did not have the resources we have now, they had to do it all with paper books.
This I was given as very very valuable:
I can't say for certain if they are real or fake, it's pretty far outside of my comfort zone. I can however say that in over 50 years of collecting I've seen a lot of Fat Man dollars and not one of them was real. I know real ones exist but it's arguably the most widely counterfeited coin in the world.
Ant there lies your problem. 100% of the people looking at these coins are going to assume they are fake. The Big Tree Factory has destroyed the market for genuine Chinese coins. The only buyers in town are those with the expertise needed to tell the difference and those guys probably filled that album spot years ago. The casual buyer is going to be hard to find.
The fact that they are silver is on you side as is the provenance but it's still going to be an uphill struggle. Silver fakes do exist but these are typically copies of very expensive coins, there's not much point in making silver copies of Franklin half dollars.
With a lot of luck you might find a buyer right away but far more likely to be prepared for a long wait or discounted prices.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
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Citeer: "redsmithstudios"For the 1/2 Jiao, I talked with another collector that said he got his for $4, and that's about what NGC has here, https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/china-provincial-kwangtung-province-5-cents-y-421-101921-cuid-1045951-duid-1287691
I just don't understand why I cant find any that have sold on the market other than two high priced examples. It also has a rarity index of 90, so if its low value and common, were are they all? I'll just assume I shouldn't sell mine for $5, and buy any I can find....
Remember that a high NRI or even a low mintage doesn't necessarily correlate to a high market value; there are some coins with 4 or 5 digit mintages in my collection that I picked up for less than 10€. For a coin with a price similar to 4 USD in catalogue and according to dealers like your 1/2 Jiao I'd say that at the end of the day the value is only what the other person(s) is/are willing to pay.
Also you have the wrong link for the last coin; for everyone's benefit that is NOT a Fat Man Dollar, nor a '20¢' (or 2 Jiao) as it seems to be written on the flip; it's a half dollar (https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces22877.html)
+ The year on the junk dollar is 23 in the Chinese Republican calendar, or 1934 in the Gregorian calendar rather than 1933 as written on the flip.
Ahh, thanks for the correction. The fat man half dollar is 2mm and right under 32 mm round about 31.65 mm. That’s about 0.32 mm off from But I have cheap calipers
and it’s 13.5 g, but again my scale is always of a few points, so probably acceptable for 13.6.
So I’d say it checks out.
Sorry for the yellow lighting.
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
I agree with pnightingale.
It is very difficult to say if they are genuine or (contampory) replica's.
A general rule is: if coins are very valuable or very rare, then the chinese make replica's.
There are many silvertest you can do.
From DIY to very expensive.
Ping test, ice test, density test, neodymium slide, acid test (destructive),
Do you have neodymium magnets? These magnets are not expensive and should be a part of a collectors equipment. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=silver+test+at+home+ https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=silver+test+coin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gLB2uMAMYM
If you are conviced they are real and want to keep them in your collection, ok.
If you want to sell them, be carefull.
More I can not say, because it is difficult to be correct just by looking at pictures.
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