Good day colleagues,
got a bunch of copper coins today. I promptly identified some but got stuck at a few, since I am not proficient in Arabic script.
Would you please help me?
see below.
Two of the coins was identified - both 10 para, Ottoman Empire, Abdulmecid I, different years.
The legible part of the Roman coin's inscription says something like NVMERC, two trees in the centre, two warriors on the left and right side, respectively. The emperor's image on the reverse is unfortunately hardly distinguishable, to say nothing about the legend.
For the Roman one, I think it's a reverse type "GLORIA EXERCITVS". Probably Constantine the Great or one of his son.
Here's a link that should help you in identifying late Roman coins such as this one, it's not complete but it's very intuitive : https://www.tesorillo.com/aes/home.htm
Hello,
I see a Tunisian kharub of the sultan Abdul Aziz, 3 coins of 10 or 20 paras (depend of the weight and size) of Mahmud II minted at Konstantiniye (Ottoman Empire) and a 1/8 or 1/16 Riyal from the Mutawakkilite Kingdom (Yemen).
I'm not sure about the last one and I don't see it well : Myanmar ?
If you learn the Arabic numbers, it will help to find the AH date and regnal year.
And that helps most of the time to find the correct determination.
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Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
The script of the tinies coin is not Burman, it is rather of the South Indian group (Tamil, Telugu, Kannada etc. - sorry, not proficient in languages of India, but rather distinguish them visually).
Citeer: "Mitridat1974"The script of the tinies coin is not Burman, it is rather of the South Indian group (Tamil, Telugu, Kannada etc. - sorry, not proficient in languages of India, but rather distinguish them visually).
Yes, as I do, by comparing....
Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
Citeer: "PetrusAscanus"If you learn the Arabic numbers, it will help to find the AH date and regnal year.
And that helps most of the time to find the correct determination.
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Unfortunately, though I know Arabic numbers and can visually identify them on a coin, it is often not enough to identify the rest (region, country, ruler etc.)
Even more, on my second photo there are three apparently equal coins in the right part, diameter 20 mm, very thin, where I can read the Arabic script as "Qustantinia" right below the date 1223. The rest of the Arabic text is unclear to me. Judging by this, I would expect Algeria or Tunisia, but I did not find anything similar.
PS. Further research (design, features etc) makes me think that these 3 coins (same type) were minted at Konstantiniyye mint in the Ottoman Empire under Mahmud II. Alas, I can't find it on Numista.
PPS. The Roman coin must be of Constantinus Junior, 330-336, Gloria Exercitum type, Treveri mint.
Not sure about the nominal, must be a follis, just 15 mm. https://www.tesorillo.com/aes/029/029i.htm
Citeer: "Mitridat1974"Even more, on my second photo there are three apparently equal coins in the right part, diameter 20 mm, very thin, where I can read the Arabic script as "Qustantinia" right below the date 1223. The rest of the Arabic text is unclear to me. Judging by this, I would expect Algeria or Tunisia, but I did not find anything similar.
"Qustantinia" is the name of the place where the coins were minted : it's the equivalent of Konstantiniyye / Constantinople, one of the old name of Istambul. When you spot it, you know for sure the coin is classified under the Ottoman Empire.
For Algeria it's simply written (جزائر), same about Tunisia ("تو نس") but they are less common.
When you got the first year of the reign of the sultan and the mint, you got all the informations you need : the rest of the inscriptions is not really important.
The tugrah on the other side just give you the name of the sultan with few honorific adjunctions (if you are curious about what it says, you can have a look here : http://www.tugra.org/okunus/pages/30.htm ) but it's easier to use the date to deduce it's name.
Just below the mint it's just "Duriba fi" ("struck at") and at the top of it you can find the regnal year.
Thank you Cycnos for the information.
Unfortunately, even with this info there is nothing that would by far resemble the coin in question when I look up for Ottoman 1223. Could it be that it was not listed on Numista?
It looks like 1 para by weight and diameter.
So I'll keep looking.
That's exactly what Cycnos answered in his first post, but maybe you've read over it:
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Hello,
I see a Tunisian kharub of the sultan Abdul Aziz, 3 coins of 10 or 20 paras (depend of the weight and size) of Mahmud II minted at Konstantiniye (Ottoman Empire) and a 1/8 or 1/16 Riyal from the Mutawakkilite Kingdom (Yemen).
I'm not sure about the last one and I don't see it well : Myanmar ?
The Ottoman coins were finally identified (thanks once again for the hints). The dark colour was confusing - I was looking among the copper, but it was listed as silver (very bad silver in fact, something like 100 probe, but anyway). https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces41366.html
Now the only item left unidentified is the Roman coin.
The reverse points at TR mint. However, when I look up on Numista, all TR coins of that period have a different legend. https://www.tesorillo.com/aes/029/029i.htm
The emperor is hard to identify (too bad quality of image), but judging by the robust face, it seems to be Constantine the Great.
