Ottoman coin?

Hello
I found this coin on the beach.
But I can't find info about there
Hope anyone can help me.
Good luck !!!

Welcome to Numista!

It is definitely not a "rare Ottoman coin"; more likely a token or possibly a "belly dancer" costume adornment imitation, judging by the poor strike and the hole.

Most likely an Ottoman token, possibly from Egypt; given the imitation of the pre-1914 Ottoman Egypt coinage on the side with the tughra. Bust looks like possibly Fuad I or Farouk I, who reigned after the Ottoman vassal status had been removed in 1914, so I would date this imitation to around the 1910s-40s.

​It is a token from Morocco with the portrait of king Muhammad V, I'm sure because I have one with a very good condition.

Hello
Thank you very much. But I don't think it's a token.
The coin has 22mm diameter, same than similar coins.
Here a picture before cleaning.

Please
Can I see a picture from your token.
Thank you

You can see on the pictures, that the coin is older dan 100 years.
The side of the coin with the symbol, is a Turkish or Egypcian symbol. Not from Morroko.
Please, check again. The hole is not round, it's maked with a non-machined nail.
The face is similar to sultan Mehmet II, from Egypt, but I can't find a picture from this side of the coin or "token".

Please, if someone has an image of this side of the coin, it's all I need

Thank you very much

Sorry,
I forgot to said, it's gold

Sorry again,
Mehmet VI

Citeer: "Fuerteloy"​Sorry,
​I forgot to said, it's gold

​LOL I don't know why you think so, but there is no way on earth or in hell that your token is gold.

Yes the tughra is a predominantly Ottoman motif, but that bust has never appeared on any coins of either Egypt or the Ottoman Empire; in fact Ottoman coins never had busts of the reigning monarchs depicted on their coins, and neither did Egypt until the 1920s, after they were no longer an Ottoman satellite. So therefore yours is not a coin, however old it might be.

And I do not think it's Moroccan either; the tughra is not a staple of Moroccan coinage/tokens. The shape of the hole is mostly irrelevant here.

Thank you.
I have tried to give the maximum possible details.
but I still think that it is a coin.
I use metal detectors for many years. I have found thousands and thousands of coins, tokens and all kinds of jewelry and various objects.
And I have no doubt, this is a coin.
My question is. It is possible, that simply, there is no historical record of this currency ???
I begin to suspect that it is unique!

Thanks for your help !!!

People around here also have many years of experience identifying coins, and will always to best of their knowledge try to assist you to identify your metal disk. It's not my field of knowledge, so I rely on others ...

I do agree it could be a unique golden coin, that was minted a hundred years ago and (by mistake?) ended up in circulation (visible by the wear on the coin). Afterwards it was used to adorn a traditional wedding dress before ending up in the sea and washed up on your beach.

Or it could just be a fantasy medal/token/disk/coin (or whatever you want to call it) made for some belly dancing costume.
Not sure ... take your pick ...

It is definitively a token, the thougra side imitating a gold 500 kurush coin, used for a belly danser costume
There is no coin like that.
There is nothing to find on internet because it is a token.
If it was a coin, you would find it on internet.

Citeer: "PetrusAscanus"​It is definitively a token, the thougra side imitating a gold 500 kurush coin, used for a belly danser costume
​There is no coin like that.
​There is nothing to find on internet because it is a token.
​If it was a coin, you would find it on internet.

​Thank you for saying it!

Yes, there is no historical record of it because it is not a coin. It is a token, probably used for a belly dancer costume. I would like to ask, what exactly makes you think it is a coin, if you are so sure about it even after multiple people have suggested otherwise?

And I would like to ask how can anyone think that metal disk is gold? I don't even think it's .001 gold. Look at it, it's copper or bronze, not gold for crying out loud.... perhaps it was gold plated at one point at best. If you are so sure it is gold take it to a jeweller's and hear what I said from them instead of from internet strangers.

I feel like nothing we say can convince the OP of something other than they want to hear, but...

At 22 millimetres, and with is supposedly being a gold coin, this would be a 100 Kurus piece. On Ottoman coins, there are four different things that can be to the right of the toughra (flowers, nothing, el-Ghazi, and Reshat). Yours has the flowers. Beneath the toughra should be the regnal, which is not there. Combine the regnal year with the frozen date, and you get the actual date the coin was made in, so the regnal year is pretty significant. So significant that many imitations even include them (even if they tend to all be fictitious).

Alright, so onto the obverse. It is completely wrong for any existing Ottoman coin. No frozen date; no mint.

But either way, here are the options you can chose from that are currently listed on Numista. Remember, only the ones with the flowers even have a chance at being yours :
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?mode=avance&p=1&l=ottoman&r=&e=ottoman&d=&ca=3&no=&i=&v=100+Kurus&m=Gold&a=&t=&dg=&w=&u=&f=&g=&c=&tb=y&tc=y&tn=y&tp=y&tt=y&te=y&cat=y

Obviously, your coin is not listed there. But if it is as rare and unique as you say it is, you might as well add it yourself and see what the referees think:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/contributions/nouveau.php

Now, I really like the Ottoman Empire--they are one of my favourite places to collect coins from. Of course, that means nothing to you, especially if I guarantee your coin is not Ottoman. But for future reference, the toughra (sometimes spelt 'tughra') has been used on coins from Afghanistan, Algeria, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahawalpur, Crimea, Darfur, Egypt, Georgia, Hejaz, Hyderabad, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Libya, Ottoman Empire, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, and the United Arab Emirates, so just because I say your coin is not from the Ottoman Empire, it does not mean all those other places have been eliminated. I am not going to search through all of them, so... have fun!

Citeer: "Sulfur"​I feel like nothing we say can convince the OP of something other than they want to hear, but...

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​Now, I really like the Ottoman Empire--they are one of my favourite places to collect coins from. Of course, that means nothing to you, especially if I guarantee your coin is not Ottoman. But for future reference, the toughra (sometimes spelt 'tughra') has been used on coins from Afghanistan, Algeria, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahawalpur, Crimea, Darfur, Egypt, Georgia, Hejaz, Hyderabad, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Libya, Ottoman Empire, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, and the United Arab Emirates, so just because I say your coin is not from the Ottoman Empire, it does not mean all those other places have been eliminated. I am not going to search through all of them, so... have fun!

Yeah, that kind of cognitive dissonance is always infuriating, especially when it comes to obvious Chinese fakes that were found in a flea market by someone who insists they won the jackpot. But hey, denial is the first stage of dealing with grief, right?

Anyway, it's probably worth noting that most of the countries you've listed (Algeria, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Crimea, Darfur, Egypt, Georgia, Hejaz, Iraq, Jordan, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria) have their tughra coins from when they were Ottoman eyalets/vassals/satellites. None of those bear a bust though, similarly to Ottoman Empire proper coins, so it's not likely to be a coin from the Sublime Porte or one of it's associates.

If it was a coin I would suggest Bahawalpur as a likely source, given their coins have both tughras and look very token-like, also with busts of a man wearing a fez; but this cannot be the case as it is clearly imitating an Ottoman gold coin instead.

Thanks for all the opinions.
Naturally it is gold, there is no doubt!

I have received a response from Dr. Atom Damali (Ottoman coin expert)
And it confirms to me that it is a medal of 1909, Sultan Mehmed Reshad.

Because the hole, no value.

Thanks again for your interest and help.

Hasta pronto

Citeer: "Fuerteloy"​Naturally it is gold, there is no doubt!
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Well, at least you understand that it's not a coin anymore.

Yes and it's Ottoman.
No chinese, no token, no dancing element, no bronze, no cupper.

Ok, you accepted it is a token.
Now you have to be convinced it is NOT gold.
Gold will never oxidize like yours, even when found on the beach

Citeer: "Fuerteloy"​Naturally it is gold, there is no doubt!
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​​Because the hole, no value.

​IF it is gold (but of course it isn't), it still has some value despite the hole.

But I don't understand it. You ask for help and everybody says it's not a coin and it's not gold. Yet you still refuse to accept that. Read other threads, members are here to help each other with the best of their knowledge, but if you refuse to listen it's going to be difficult to not ignore you with your next question(s).

Citeer: "Essor Prof"​

Citeer: "Fuerteloy"​Naturally it is gold, there is no doubt!
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​​​Because the hole, no value.
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​But I don't understand it. You ask for help and everybody says it's not a coin and it's not gold. Yet you still refuse to accept that. Read other threads, members are here to help each other with the best of their knowledge, but if you refuse to listen it's going to be difficult to not ignore you with your next question(s).

+100!

It's hard to deal with people like this and not be a little bit frustrated.... it wasn't the answer you wanted to hear, but accept it and move on. I always believe you shouldn't give up on people looking for help, but damn if it isn't infuriating.

Citeer: "CassTaylor"​
​It's hard to deal with people like this and not be a little bit frustrated.... it wasn't the answer you wanted to hear, but accept it and move on. I always believe you shouldn't give up on people looking for help, but damn if it isn't infuriating.

​indeed

Citeer: "Fuerteloy"​Sorry,
​I forgot to said, it's gold

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Citeer: "Fuerteloy"​

​Wouldn't you think, if the coin is gold the Ottoman coin expert would have said that?
In fact, between the lines, he said it isn't gold, by saying it has no value because it's worn and holed. If it is gold, it still has gold bullion value, despite the hole and the fact it's worn.

Yet you said: Naturally it is gold, there is no doubt!, in the same post as the answer of that coin expert.

Hahahaha, LOL
I like this discussion in this post!
If you look carefully, you will see your coin in this hoard: