TURKU: From a currency under Finland to a "country/area" page under Finland

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Monninen1

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Bericht: 11-sep-2018, 21:05 #

Monninen1

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Bericht: 12-sep-2018, 08:00 #

Those could be added without photos

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Bericht: 12-sep-2018, 09:40 #

Was this indigenous Finnish coinage, or are these Swedish coins/mint in Finland?

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Monninen1

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Bericht: 12-sep-2018, 10:15 #

Citeer: "Jarcek"Was this indigenous Finnish coinage, or are these Swedish coins/mint in Finland?

They are coins minted by Sweden for use in the semi-autonomic area of Finland. We in Finland talk of them as Finnish coins, as they were minted for Finland in its largest city, Turku.

Monninen1

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Bericht: 12-sep-2018, 12:42 #

This is quite important, soon those coins will disappear from "My requests"

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Bericht: 12-sep-2018, 16:29 #

I have looked into Turku before, and the problem I kept coming across was that I could not find any source that stated/implied Åbo mint coins were only meant to circulate in Turku. The sources I found kept listing them like any other mint of Sweden, and I do not think these coins being from a foreign mint is enough proof the coins were actually meant to circulate locally.

Here is a .pdf about Swedish coins I sometimes go to (it is 78 pages): http://www.numismatas.com/Forum/Pdf/David%20Ruckser/Coins%20of%20Sweden.pdf

Some Åbo mint coins are on page 24, but they are formatted the same as mints like Stockholm or Vasteras. I would except there to be something different, since with the Gotlandic coins on page 7 (and the one on page 37), they mention Gotland in the title, as well as under where they say "Sweden".

Of course, that is just one example. Have been able to find anything that says otherwise? If so, I would really like to read it!

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That aside: what are the sources of the pictures on your pending requests? If they are from sources that allowed the use of their pictures, the source should be credited. And if they are not from sources that allowed the use of their pictures, the pictures should not be used.

(I am mentioning that because that may be the reason the requests are still pending.)

Monninen1

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Bericht: 12-sep-2018, 18:20 #

Citeer: "Sulfur"I have looked into Turku before, and the problem I kept coming across was that I could not find any source that stated/implied Åbo mint coins were only meant to circulate in Turku. The sources I found kept listing them like any other mint of Sweden, and I do not think these coins being from a foreign mint is enough proof the coins were actually meant to circulate locally.

Here is a .pdf about Swedish coins I sometimes go to (it is 78 pages): http://www.numismatas.com/Forum/Pdf/David%20Ruckser/Coins%20of%20Sweden.pdf

Some Åbo mint coins are on page 24, but they are formatted the same as mints like Stockholm or Vasteras. I would except there to be something different, since with the Gotlandic coins on page 7 (and the one on page 37), they mention Gotland in the title, as well as under where they say "Sweden".

Of course, that is just one example. Have been able to find anything that says otherwise? If so, I would really like to read it!

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That aside: what are the sources of the pictures on your pending requests? If they are from sources that allowed the use of their pictures, the source should be credited. And if they are not from sources that allowed the use of their pictures, the pictures should not be used.

(I am mentioning that because that may be the reason the requests are still pending.)

The requestests could be added without pictures. I messaged about this to florino28, but I do not know if he misunderstood what I meant.

These coins are quite important to us (Finnish people) there are different pages with information about them:

https://www.google.fi/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.oulunnumismaatikot.fi/tietopankki/turun_rahat.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjqtrb_6rXdAhWKiiwKHQwpADkQFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1VFKLjQb-dtNQgYMlg_qtR pdf with photos etc.
https://rahakabinetti.wordpress.com/2015/05/23/nils-j-lindberg-osa-i/ Some information
https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Äyrityinen
And for example this book has also the coins of Turku as Finnish money:

I have not found a catalog with numbers with the turku coins atleast yet, but I think there could be atleast one as these are possibly an as important thing to us as the siege coins of Newark-on-Trent are to the people of the city.

CassTaylor

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Bericht: 13-sep-2018, 03:26 #

Citeer: "Monninen1"This is quite important, soon those coins will disappear from "My requests"

Pending requests from over a month ago stay visible in "My requests".

Monninen1

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Bericht: 14-sep-2018, 12:31 #

https://www.jncoins.com/product/10876/2016-suomen-kolikot-ja-setelit-1400-2016-luettelo-arviohintoineen

Monninen1

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Bericht: 18-sep-2018, 10:20 #

up for the last time. I messaged florino. The new turku coins may be added soon!

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Bericht: 12-dec-2018, 11:09 #

At this time, was Finland an independent country, or was it under Swedish rule?

If A: They should be listed under Finland.
If B: They should be listed under Sweden.

If A: Why? Because if Finland was independent, of course they should be listed under its issuing country.
If B: Why? If a country doesn't exist, how can they issue coins? See countries like Soviet Union. No Soviet coins are listed under Uzbekistan or Moldova, since they simply didn't exist as independent countries. And there are no coins listed under Iceland dated earlier than 1922. Why? Because Iceland wasn't independent, but a part of the Dano-Norwegian Realm. This should be no different, then.

Ollisaarinen

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Bericht: 13-dec-2018, 07:14 #

Finland's independence day was December 6, 1917. So we were not independent. But B is not totally true, because Finland and actually Turku city has a mint and it would have been so that Turku has minted coins only for Finnish area and only for Finnish people, but we don't have any confirmed evidence for that, yet. Coin which where minted in Turku were and are different than the coins minted in Turku for Sweden.
Conclusion: I should still keep Turku coins under Sweden.

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