Austrian state identification and valuation

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XRY-478
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Bericht: 31-dec-2018, 03:17 #
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Hello,

Could someone please tell me exactly what this coin is?




I have narrowed it down as far as the state of Tyrol in Austria. I just can't find an exact match. The condition and value would also be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Ben
CassTaylor
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Bericht: 31-dec-2018, 03:42 #
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Hey Ben,

The central part of the coat of arms on the reverse marks it as belonging to (Upper) Alsace, then a domain of the Habsburgs:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces134032.html

Bad news, though- I am extremely doubtful about the authenticity of your coin. x.
XRY-478
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Bericht: 31-dec-2018, 04:08 #
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Oh dear! Could you please elaborate further on how it could be a fake. Is there any way to know roughly what era it was made when faked?

Thanks for finding the exact link for me though it was doing my head in. x.
neilithicman
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Bericht: 31-dec-2018, 05:12 #
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The pitting on the surface means it's most likely a cast copy
What? Me Worry
XRY-478
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Bericht: 31-dec-2018, 06:00 #
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When you say the pitting do you mean all the small concave bumps? Sorry if it sounds like a silly question but I don't have any knowledge on this type of coin.
PetrusAscanus
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Bericht: 31-dec-2018, 12:33 #
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Citeer: "CassTaylor"​Bad news, though- I am extremely doubtful about the authenticity of your coin. x.
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http://www.coinfactswiki.com/wiki/Austria_(1564-95)_thaler_Dav-8097
​I have to agree, the details and background are very crude, what can be expected with cast copies/fakes/replicas
compare weight and dimensions
http://www.silvercoins.com/fake-silver-coins-14-ways-to-spot-counterfeits/
Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
CassTaylor
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Bericht: 31-dec-2018, 17:38 #
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Citeer: "XRY-478"​When you say the pitting do you mean all the small concave bumps? Sorry if it sounds like a silly question but I don't have any knowledge on this type of coin.
​Yes, those little concave bumps are usually evidence of casting because they were likely formed by air bubbles during the manufacturing process for fakes like those.
Choucas
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Bericht: 31-dec-2018, 19:26 #
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Hello,

I have to agree, it looks fake to me too.
LEÓNIDÁS
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Make measurement, weight and diameter.
XRY-478
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On a kitchen scale the coin weighs 14g and has a diameter of around 37mm.
LEÓNIDÁS
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Based on weight, it is fake. It is thaler and weight should be 25-30g.
LEÓNIDÁS
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What is thickness ? It could be 1/2 thaler, with that weight, but there is not diameter in Numista catalogue at this 1/2 thaler, so I am not sure.
XRY-478
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It is about 1.5mm thick.
XRY-478
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Is there any possible way to know when this coin was made now that it is pretty much confirmed as being a fake?
PetrusAscanus
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Citeer: "XRY-478"​Is there any possible way to know when this coin was made now that it is pretty much confirmed as being a fake?
​difficult to say.
It could be a contemporary replica/copy or a rather modern tourist replica
Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
LEÓNIDÁS
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Citeer: "XRY-478"​Is there any possible way to know when this coin was made now that it is pretty much confirmed as being a fake?
​Hard to say, I dont know what is usual thickness in this coins (1/2 thalers ) according to weight, which is correct it could be 1/2 thaler, but diameter is too big in my opinion. Try to find out if it is silver. Regarding coins from Ostereich and Tyrol could help Ecapoe. Try to write him. He helped me with identification of my thaler of Ferdinand II Tyrolis.
Leitwolf
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The coin is not genuine (IMO), the typical replica surface (like mentioned above).
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