2 very worn silver coins?

in a silver lot picked up these 2 very worn what i think silver coins, searched numista based on weight and diameter to no avail, maybe someone here will recognize them
the 2nd one it looks like a definite conquistador helmet
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces14316.html
allmost like the helmet on the panama coins but from the front




anyway maybe someone can recognize them

regards
Robert

Hello,

The bust outline on the first coin looks like that of William III, and at 25mm would make it a shilling, but in this condition it's almost impossible to tell exact variety: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?mode=simplifie&p=1&l=england&r=shilling+william+III&e=england&d=&ca=3&no=&i=&v=&m=&a=&t=&dg=&w=&u=&f=&g=&c=&tb=y&tc=y&tn=y&tp=y&tt=y&te=y&cat=y

The second one is a bit more of a lost cause; the bust looks like that of Charles III/IV of Spain (laurel and epaulettes visible), and at 19.5mm would make it a colonial 1 Real coin. Impossible to tell the mint though, since the reverse is completely obliterated.

Yes, both are silver.

damm the bit at the top looks pretty unique and it matches pretty well for the first one

thanks alot, i think ill close that now as solved, some sort of william III shilling , unknown mint/type



the bottom of the portrait looks somewhat distinctive and i think may help

also in hand i can make out a C in the place CAROLUS would be for a 1 real
the slant in it allmost looks like https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces44675.html to me

appears to be a pearl on a crown maybe, easier to make out in hand



matches up decently well i think
i think it may indeed be this

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces44675.html

what do youthink?