Help! Old coins new collector

Hello everyone
I've recently came across this site and thought this group might be able to help me identify these coins I've had since a kid; found under the floor board of an old house when my dad was renovating. Any info would be appreciated, back and top of each coin per line. Thank u

Hello do you have pictures?

Here's the first one
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces15997.html
but is does look a bit strange possible counterfeit?

Dreadful counterfeits, modern Chinese fakes.

And I am wasting my time replying.

Was the house built in 2015? The Hong Kong Dollar has a date of 1866, yet has a bad portrait of King Edward VII who ruled between 1902 and 1910. Anyone with half a brain can see these are cheap and crappy fakes polluting the market.

We should have an embargo on people showing rubbishy Chinese crap and claiming its real or really old. These Chinese fakes are destroying our hobby and need to be stopped.

https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/chinese-coin-counterfeiting-ring-4071202

This article shows photos of a chinese fake coin mill and how they make the base metal fakes complete with fake coin dies.

Please don't respond about how racist I am. I have no problem with Chinese people (I have 2% Chinese ancestry in my DNA) But I have problems with the Communist Chinese state, their widespread faking, the lack of human rights and general parasitical presence amongst 3rd world nations.

3 years ago I would have been lynched for such views, but now teh world is standing up and waking up to the treachery of Communist China, it is more acceptable.

CiteerThe Hong Kong Dollar has a date of 1866, yet has a bad portrait of King Edward VII who ruled between 1902 and 1910.

​that's why I couldn't find the coin with King Edwards head

The house was from 1925 first built. So from your experience all of these are fakes? Wonder why someone would hide them ?

Maybe the previous owner thought they were real or hiding them to try to get the finder to pass into the open market. Counterfeiters are trying more ways of getting their products into the market. I'm sorry but I do know the feeling of getting fakes.

But you can't confirm if they are all fakes right?

I saw something about the king Edward but I haven't found anything on the lady ?

Citeer: "KLiao"​Here's the first one
​https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces15997.html
​but is does look a bit strange possible counterfeit?
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​Not just a "possible" counterfeit, a definite counterfeit.
The obverse of that first coin says "東三省造", which means "Made in the Manchurian provinces"; but the reverse, which says "Hu-peh province", is not congruent with that.

Moneytane is spot on about the fake dollar (and about the CCP too!); I've seen one of those same fakes in person. The forger was probably confused between the Hong Kong dollar of 1866-68 and the Straits dollar of Edward VII.

Citeer: "Jojo711"​
But you can't confirm if they are all fakes right?
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The first two I discussed above are 105% fake, no doubt about that. But the other two aren't "fakes" per se; the holed "coin" is just a lucky charm, nothing more.

The one with the lady is a medallion commemorating Xi Shi, who is one of the "Four Great Beauties" from Chinese folk legend: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces129928.html

Citeer: "Jojo711"​But you can't confirm if they are all fakes right?
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​I saw something about the king Edward but I haven't found anything on the lady ?

​They are real fakes, no doubt about that. Please destroy them.

This kind of fakes has been made sometime from the 1970s-80s to today

Citeer: "Moneytane"​​We should have an embargo on people showing rubbishy Chinese crap and claiming its real or really old. These Chinese fakes are destroying our hobby and need to be stopped.
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​I like them...

I agree with all of the above.
As collector of such fakes/forgeries/replicas, I have seen them before.

Usually, when we discussing about hammered Islamic coins, information about place of finding ( unearthed) is very important and useful.
But,
"found under the floor board of an old house when my dad was renovating " what the sense of this appendix information ...? I think just to force us to cancel all thinkings about counterfeiting.

I agree with member, who wrote " I waste my time" ..

Citeer: "Dato Mikeladze" I think just to force us to cancel all thinkings about counterfeiting.
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​I agree with member, who wrote " I waste my time" ..
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​Also agreed; even if they were unearthed in a tomb in the Valley of the Kings, they'd still be fake coins.

People see what looks like an old coin and get very excited, but then when they find out it's fake sometimes denial is the first stage of coping.... reminds me of that other guy from a few months ago who kept insisting his fake Fat Man dollar was a rare pattern coin.

Citeer: "KLiao"​Maybe the previous owner thought they were real or hiding them to try to get the finder to pass into the open market.

​Yes indeed. I have known a 'old' collector who had never used internet, just a couple of 'wilted books' of Krause.
He kept a 'forgery' in a little box in his safe, because that coin (1 dollar 1804) has a mintage of only 15 known. You could see the brass shining true, the weight and dimensions are wrong, and yet he was completely convinced he had coin 16.... (last known sale 4 140 000 US$)

I can't thank you all enough.

You can see the bigger picture, before screaming "Racist, racist, you hate the Chinese etc"
I used to belong to some pop star boards (Black pop stars) and they were full of SJWs and Black lives matter types, even saying the word Black people and you weren't black would get a Sista Souljah/Amiru Bushraka type rant and a banning.

These coins are all fake/commemorative pieces, undoubtedly. Real ones usually cost you an arm and a leg.

Regarding the comment from Moneytane:

“But I have problems with the Communist Chinese state, their widespread faking, the lack of human rights and general parasitical presence amongst 3rd world nations.”

I am surprised to see this kind of comment existing in a coin forum. How does a modern fake coin have anything to do with human rights and colonialism? Please educate me. 2% Chinese DNA couldn’t really justify your prejudice.

It seems that whenever a fake coin appears, automatically it is assumed to be China. While this is often true, to be fair, there are also a lot of fakes coming out of Eastern Europe, among other places. A big problem too, is people buying coins labelled in description as copies on sites such as alibaba, and then turning around and selling the same coins as real on eBay, etc.

@Napoleon1 True but modern East European fakes usually are of better quality and mostly of fake European coins or ancients.

Also i love how they, many beginners think that people would pipe in without knowing what they are looking at, most of these coin collectors have not just seen the same thing multiple times, they have replied multiple times to people who think they have found rare coins hidden somewhere or another. When in fact confront with the true people don't want to listen and get angry well that your problem i can do much about that, i can stand if you paid for them you might be upset.

If some did know about some coin they would say they didn't know about that particular coin, no need to worry about throwing away treasure with these coins. They make good gifts to children or maybe some keeping a Black book.

Citeer: "Ryurazu"​@Napoleon1 True but modern East European fakes usually are of better quality and mostly of fake European coins or ancients.
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​Also i love how they, many beginners think that people would pipe in without knowing what they are looking at, most of these coin collectors have not just seen the same thing multiple times, they have replied multiple times to people who think they have found rare coins hidden somewhere or another. When in fact confront with the true people don't want to listen and get angry well that your problem i can do much about that, i can stand if you paid for them you might be upset.
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​If some did know about some coin they would say they didn't know about that particular coin, no need to worry about throwing away treasure with these coins. They make good gifts to children or maybe some keeping a Black book.

​ah yes!! I agree. It is very difficult to convince the owners that they have replica coins! And time and time again, we have to repeat the truth about the coins and to dissapoint them.
Please read this:
https://en.numista.com/numisdoc/modern-fakes-151.html

This is the original post by Spruce arts about the fake coin mill in China.
It's very interesting and will help a lot of you. The fakes this place make are very high
quality and could fool a lot of people.

This is why we need to be more vigilant.
https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/chinese-coin-counterfeiting-ring-4071202

You will see American coins (Key date ones especially) and European coins are very popular and the mill claim they are not faking, but filling a need in the market. They also mint a lot of ancient Chinese coins and antiquities
mainly as exporting true antiquities can result in death, but modern replicas only require a tax to be paid.

The site also has several excellent articles about buying coins (Although it is very heavily Amerocentric), the rules apply pretty well to anywhere in the world.

Citeer: "timggggg"​These coins are all fake/commemorative pieces, undoubtedly. Real ones usually cost you an arm and a leg.
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​Regarding the comment from Moneytane:
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​“But I have problems with the Communist Chinese state, their widespread faking, the lack of human rights and general parasitical presence amongst 3rd world nations.”
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​I am surprised to see this kind of comment existing in a coin forum. How does a modern fake coin have anything to do with human rights and colonialism? Please educate me. 2% Chinese DNA couldn’t really justify your prejudice.

​I knew there would be one. Fake coins are market driven, unless you live under a rock - China is notorious for fakes, fake Gucci Bags, fake Iphones, fake CDs, Fake makeup, Fake big brand everything and even knockoff mcdonalds and synthetic eggs. Google it - Chinese fakery is all around.

Fakes and counterfeiting destroy the global trade in real things, a brand's credibility is undermined by cheap fakes. Many Chinese fakes are also dangerous such as a scandal a few years ago over Chinese made toys that used lead paint and even genuine Chinese stuff is mostly low quality junk. Ghetto $2 shops and bargain emporiums along with stores like Walmart are full of cheaply and badly made Chinese plastic junk. Even a Chinese car was done for looking like a Mini Cooper rip off (Yet of a much lower quality). Chinese fakes often undercut the real items. The government in China turns a blind eye to this stuff and could not care less, as long as the junk is earning them export income.

Even worse involving human rights, is many workers in the factories that make this junk are badly exploited (China Blue movie, suicide nets at Chinese Apple factory), workers usually come from impoverished country areas, are paid low wages (Figure $150 a month for about 250 hours work), forced to work overtime, have no rights, live in unsafe and insantiary droms (They get bad food, and are even charged 50 fen for a bucket of hot water), they have to give first months wages as a security deposit, so they don't abscond. Workers are often paid late or not at all, there is almost no safety and the workforce is expendable.

The cities are polluted with smokey factories, shonkily and cheaply built structures, but then again you are doing so much overtime, you won't get time to experience the outside anyway. If you are lucky you go home for New Years - but thats it - some factories have ended this as its unproductive.

China has NO minimum standards for worker safety or pay rates - but hey I am just a racist. In your comfortable SJW world, people like me are the antichrist.

Go on living in your SJW, Kum ba yah fantasy - just pray you are not reborn as a Chinese factory labourer.

Moneytane, in a way you are right and I do also agree with you, in a way.
But you forget one important thing: this is a coin-site, period.
People who come here to discuss issues about the things they have in common; COINS,
are definitely not interested in the way you look to China or Africa or whatever.
Share your coin knowledge, if you have any, and shut up, for peace-sake!

A big plus one!

Citeer: "yvon"​Moneytane, in a way you are right and I do also agree with you, in a way.
​But you forget one important thing: this is a coin-site, period.
​People who come here to discuss issues about the things they have in common; COINS,
​ are definitely not interested in the way you look to China or Africa or whatever.
​Share your coin knowledge, if you have any, and shut up, for peace-sake!

​His monologue can be here: https://en.numista.com/forum/forum16.html

Citeer: "yvon"​Moneytane, in a way you are right and I do also agree with you, in a way.
​But you forget one important thing: this is a coin-site, period.
​People who come here to discuss issues about the things they have in common; COINS,
​ are definitely not interested in the way you look to China or Africa or whatever.
​Share your coin knowledge, if you have any, and shut up, for peace-sake!

​Obviously English is not your 1st language, because telling someone to shut up is highly offensive.

Citeer: "Moneytane"​

Citeer: "yvon"​Moneytane, in a way you are right and I do also agree with you, in a way.
​​But you forget one important thing: this is a coin-site, period.
​​People who come here to discuss issues about the things they have in common; COINS,
​​ are definitely not interested in the way you look to China or Africa or whatever.
​​Share your coin knowledge, if you have any, and shut up, for peace-sake!

​​Obviously English is not your 1st language, because telling someone to shut up is highly offensive.

​Indeed English is not my first language. And I know it is offensive and it was ment like that.
You put to much your fingers to people who you do not like. My advice is don't do that on
a pleasant place like this coinsite, better is even not to do this useless things at all...

no comment from me

No politic's allowed in the forum. Please keep to the topic - coins, and in this case fake coins. Political views and human rights' thought can be shared on the social media, but not here.
Thanks!