Need help with 3 coins around 1600 East Europe [opgelost]

I got this 3 coins that i am not able to id 100%.

1. Półtorak / 3 Polker - Zygmunt III Waza Bydgoszcz 1625 Variety: ???



All options i found: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?r=P%C3%B3%C5%82torak&p=1&x=0&y=0
Its: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces136386.html

2. SOLVED - 1 Solidus - Gustav II Adolf 1633



All options i found: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?r=solidus+gustav&p=1&x=0&y=0
Its: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces31474.html


3. Szeląg koronny - Date totally lost and the S dont seem to match any of the examples of this coin



All options i found: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?r=Szel%C4%85g+koronny+&p=1&x=0&y=0

Sorry for not getting them out of the 2x2 but they are in bad shape... the less i play with them better (at least for me)

Hello!

For coin 2, that piece is of the type minted under Gustav II Adolf (this one: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces31474.html), and in my opinion, it is not a counterfeit piece.
　
These coins were struck by a machine called the Walzwerk, which made off-centre coins quite common. Of course, the counterfeiters imitated the effect, so that is not a signifier as to whether or not a coin is a counterfeit. With that being said, a very coppery appearance and general crudeness are both signifiers, which I am not seeing on your piece.
　
Then there is the date. What you are seeing as an '18' is actually the end of the legend 'RIGENSIS'. After the legend, I think I am seeing a '33' for 1633 (a posthumous issue). From 1631 to 1634, the dates on these coins were written in a smaller font at the very top of the reverse. I have not been able to find a decent picture from an allowable source to include on the page, but here is an example with a similar date-placement, only from one of Christina's issues:

#3 is a Solidus (schilling) from Sigismund III (1587-1632) of Poland. Date?

Citeer: "Sulfur"​Hello!
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​For coin 2, that piece is of the type minted under Gustav II Adolf (this one: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces31474.html), and in my opinion, it is not a counterfeit piece.
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​These coins were struck by a machine called the Walzwerk, which made off-centre coins quite common. Of course, the counterfeiters imitated the effect, so that is not a signifier as to whether or not a coin is a counterfeit. With that being said, a very coppery appearance and general crudeness are both signifiers, which I am not seeing on your piece.
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​Then there is the date. What you are seeing as an '18' is actually the end of the legend 'RIGENSIS'. After the legend, I think I am seeing a '33' for 1633 (a posthumous issue). From 1631 to 1634, the dates on these coins were written in a smaller font at the very top of the reverse. I have not been able to find a decent picture from an allowable source to include on the page, but here is an example with a similar date-placement, only from one of Christina's issues:
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​Oh thank you Sulfur, as all pictures of the coins here in numista were mostly centered i thought that the off-center was the "thing" to catch counterfaits, didnt noticed or even think about the mateiral .

About the date, well you are totally correct, i totally messed there and i think i can see in the picture the last of thoose two 33 you are tallking about and fo corse with the coin in the hand i can see also that 3 but the first one mmm... i am not able at all

Citeer: "numisquare"​#3 is a Solidus (schilling) from Sigismund III (1587-1632) of Poland. Date?

​Numisquare thank you again, i tryed to find coins from Sigismund III here in Numista and i didnt find a single one that matched both sides of the coin.

I tryed the page/link (plus google) that you left me rencently in the Cornado post identification and there yes, i found coins that match both sides of mine BUT more or lees becasue the S keeps being a bit different, most of the coins have like a polygon or rectangle with a shield but mine, apart from being worn, is mostly a oval and i am not being able to find it...

About date, now that i watched other examples, i think i probably got it?, can it be (1)620?



Any thoughts?

Citeer: "klei92"​
​​Oh thank you Sulfur, as all pictures of the coins here in numista were mostly centered i thought that the off-center was the "thing" to catch counterfaits, didnt noticed or even think about the mateiral .
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​About the date, well you are totally correct, i totally messed there and i think i can see in the picture the last of thoose two 33 you are tallking about and fo corse with the coin in the hand i can see also that 3 but the first one mmm... i am not able at all
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​No problem! And luckily, it does not really matter whether or not the first digit is visible--all coins with this date-placement were struck in the 1630s, so with every date, it must be a 3.

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I may also be able to help with the first coin. If you look at the place where the second digit should be, you can see the very top of that digit (a horizontal, down-facing curve thing). Right away, with the curve facing down and not up, that can eliminate the digits 0, 2, 6, 8, and 9. And that top is not a point, so it cannot be 1 or 4. And on these coins, the tops of 3 and 7 should both be flat--not curved. So... 1625.

I believe it should be this page: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces136386.html (although, I am clueless as to which specific variety).

#3- here is an S with an oval shield:
https://www.ma-shops.com/sesambestcoins/item.php?id=40345&lang=en

Citeer: "Sulfur"​

Citeer: "klei92"​
​​​Oh thank you Sulfur, as all pictures of the coins here in numista were mostly centered i thought that the off-center was the "thing" to catch counterfaits, didnt noticed or even think about the mateiral .
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​​About the date, well you are totally correct, i totally messed there and i think i can see in the picture the last of thoose two 33 you are tallking about and fo corse with the coin in the hand i can see also that 3 but the first one mmm... i am not able at all
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​​No problem! And luckily, it does not really matter whether or not the first digit is visible--all coins with this date-placement were struck in the 1630s, so with every date, it must be a 3.
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​I may also be able to help with the first coin. If you look at the place where the second digit should be, you can see the very top of that digit (a horizontal, down-facing curve thing). Right away, with the curve facing down and not up, that can eliminate the digits 0, 2, 6, 8, and 9. And that top is not a point, so it cannot be 1 or 4. And on these coins, the tops of 3 and 7 should both be flat--not curved. So... 1625.
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​I believe it should be this page: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces136386.html (although, I am clueless as to which specific variety).

​Well, you actually combo breaked me! Yeah, it was in your fisrt answer ("From 1631 to 1634, the dates on these coins were written in a smaller font at the very top of the reverse") but I had the mislead of staying only with the smaller format of the date

Perfect, second coin solved, thank you a lot

About the first one now i tryed to search in hole numista forum "Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth" to see if i could find something usefull and i found a 2018 CrassTaylor`s post asking for help too in a coin 99% similar
(https://en.numista.com/forum/topic76026.html), other users exactly gave him the same link you provided me so i thought it could be the same variety (Górecki B.25.2.a), both (Crass and mine ones) have very similar details but they dont match 100% and thoose match worse with the example in the link... maybe i am going to far and its typical to have some variations in one concret variety...?

I am going to ask (probably) geraltttt82's opinion (refree for this Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth ones)

Citeer: "numisquare"​#3- here is an S with an oval shield:
​https://www.ma-shops.com/sesambestcoins/item.php?id=40345&lang=en
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​Thank to this link numisquare i just realised that if the mint in the link is correct, that one does not exist in numista, in the hole numista, i copy-paste it here up in the search "thing", tryed to search in catalogue and in forum = 0 results

I think you totally got the coin, now its more likely i will pm the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth refree to watch out this.

Very grateful for your help

First one: półtorak 1625 Bydgoszcz mint, Górecki B.25.1.a,
from Górecki catalog:




Third one: szeląg koronny, Bydgoszcz mint, maybe 1623 - so it will be Kopicki 717
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces100767.html

Citeer: "geraltttt82"​First one: półtorak 1625 Bydgoszcz mint, Górecki B.25.1.a,
​ from Górecki catalog:
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​Third one: szeląg koronny, Bydgoszcz mint, maybe 1623 - so it will be Kopicki 717
​ https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces100767.html
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​Well, geraltttt82 easy finished the topic, the third one was here afther all

Thank you all very much for your help!!