Different coins or just variations? [opgelost]

In https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces152631.html there are two versions.

I got both of the versions of this coin.




There is quite a difference in the monograms. Krause doesn't mention any versions,
Schütz have it as #1675.1 and #1675.2 while Hoffmeister only mentions one of the versions of the monogram but does mention smaller variations on the date and the crown as #2113 and #2114.

To me this ought to be recorded as two separate coins since the monograms are so different and it's impossible to say which one is the ordinary.

In 1746 the 1 heller ( https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces43185.html ) switches monogram slightly (loses a loop) to the same as the top coin. The first description of the second version is known from a list made in 1858.

I can add it if it is found to be a separate coin.

Göran

It depends on what you define as a variation and a coin type and many catalogs have quite a big discrepancy on how they define these.

To me these two definitely are of the same type but with a bigger deviation.
At least the obverse should be added to the existing coin page to have both.

Hej Göran,

I have taken your images and set up this documentation, which you can now use for a change request since you have provided the explanations and the images. I'm just your Danish documentation support!



If you have other variants, which you would like to have documented in the same way feel free to contact me. The images have to be the highest resolution you're able to produce, since I quite often have to make "macros" as here with the top of the signature!

For me they are two variants, which should have each their own km sub number! I'll report that to Krause, where I'm a contributor.

Paa genhoer

ole

Hej Ole!

Nice picture. ... but I think you got the country wrong.

I'm a bit swamped right now, so it might take some time for me to add it. But feel free to do it yourself if you like.

I got more coins and variations of the coins of Hessen-Kassel. My website (in Swedish) is here :
http://www.home.neab.net/gandalf/coins/possessions/index.htm
With the page for Hessen-Kassel here :
http://www.home.neab.net/gandalf/coins/possessions/hessen-kassel.htm

A lot of pictures are quite bad with today's standard so I'm in the process of taking new pictures of many of the coins. A lot of the coins are also missing on Numista so I'm adding to both sites when time allows.
I also have a lot of coins in better quality or not photographed yet.

I sure did

here it is



Ole