Got this coin in a lot and I am struggling to find where is from, I searched a lot of indian coins and I see Travencore have simmilar design, but none match this tiny one.
Citeer: "Geison"Just found that the trident might be a Giray symbol in the Crimea coins
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/crimea-1.html
Some pictures of the numista catalog of Crimea coins are missing, I would like to know who added them, where he/she took the data from?
There is a catalog of Crimean coins by O. Retovskiy from the year 1893.
But this coin seems to be not from Giray
My personal list of scammers from Numista: erniemix, yvain, CassTaylor
I think this is modern imitation based on motifs of puls of Bulghar mint (close to Shadi Beg khan). The year on the coin seems to be 71& (715?) (look 7 o'clock on the first photo), but I can't find such coins for the same year range on Zeno.
Citeer: "Grinya"I think this is modern imitation based on motifs of puls of Bulghar mint (close to Shadi Beg khan). The year on the coin seems to be 71& (715?) (look 7 o'clock on the first photo), but I can't find such coins for the same year range on Zeno.
design is close to this https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=206128
Thank you Grinya!
Indeed mine looks much more modern for such an old coin.
Your help was of great value to me, I will keep searching, maybe someday I find another specimen, even if it is an imitation.
The style of your coin with its rounded letters would indicate a later striking of this AE pul. Album’s catalog, #G2063 says: AE pul, struck from about 640 / 1240 until the end of the dynasty, normally undated. These puls exist in bewildering variety. Most lack mint name, and virtually all are undated after about 790. . .
The bottom two lines indicate that this was ‘struck in Bulgar’
الله. . .
اكه ت
… ضر
بلغار
The book referenced for the mint of Bulgar by Diler’s Islamic Mints is:
Agat, Nurettin: Altinordu (Cuci Ogullari) Paralari Katalogu 1250-1502 Istanbul 1976
Citeer: "numisquare"The style of your coin with its rounded letters would indicate a later striking of this AE pul. Album’s catalog, #G2063 says: AE pul, struck from about 640 / 1240 until the end of the dynasty, normally undated. These puls exist in bewildering variety. Most lack mint name, and virtually all are undated after about 790. . .
The bottom two lines indicate that this was ‘struck in Bulgar’
الله. . .
اكه ت
… ضر
بلغار
The book referenced for the mint of Bulgar by Diler’s Islamic Mints is:
Agat, Nurettin: Altinordu (Cuci Ogullari) Paralari Katalogu 1250-1502 Istanbul 1976
You are amazing!
I guess this is the most precise information I will ever get of this coin.
Citeer: "numisquare"The style of your coin with its rounded letters would indicate a later striking of this AE pul. Album’s catalog, #G2063 says: AE pul, struck from about 640 / 1240 until the end of the dynasty, normally undated. These puls exist in bewildering variety. Most lack mint name, and virtually all are undated after about 790. . .
The bottom two lines indicate that this was ‘struck in Bulgar’
الله. . .
اكه ت
… ضر
بلغار
The book referenced for the mint of Bulgar by Diler’s Islamic Mints is:
Agat, Nurettin: Altinordu (Cuci Ogullari) Paralari Katalogu 1250-1502 Istanbul 1976
You got it right, it's an AE Pul from Inferior Volga area but what is Album’s catalog, #G2063?
Stephen Album, Checklist of Islamic Coins, third edition, 2011. Page 225 has the entry of #G2063.
This is a very useful catalog of Islamic coins. It does not give legends except in special cases. There are no photos or drawings.
@Geison probably you won't get a perfect ID since not all coins from that area and period are fully described and identified, but as numisquare told you already, your coin has been issued at Bulgar mint on Volga. Based on design probably it's dating around year 1200.
@numisquare Stephen Album is available online or you can get it just as book format?
Citeer: "numisquare"Stephen Album, Checklist of Islamic Coins, third edition, 2011. Page 225 has the entry of #G2063.
This is a very useful catalog of Islamic coins. It does not give legends except in special cases. There are no photos or drawings.
Citeer: GeisonThank you Grinya very much!!
Well, I guess it might be the answer, modern forgery.
Now I have that feeling when someone says the coin is fake but the owner wants to stick insisting might be genuine:
Because the comments on this coin, which is the most simmilar to mine, says it is genuine:
https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=46255
The weight of the forgeries on Zeno are 6.65g the weight of mine is 1.6g
What an obscure coin to make forgeries of!
Thank you all for the research and for sharing your knowledge!
Status gewijzigd naar Opgelost(Geison, 17-jan-2020, 22:27)
