Hi all - so there are 3 variations of a silver coin which I'll call "in between" in the Numista catalog, I don't know how or where to get the KM# for them but I found them in PCGS so there's hope. :) OK so here's the "normal" 1970 as a reference:
Can someone help me enter these 3x 1970 variations correctly in the catalog, can an admin do it faster on the backend with a copy/edit from another coin? I've recently come into possession of 2 of the variants in OK shape but pretty scratched up (oh well). Googling around, it seems many (most?) other catalogs are also missing these 3x 1970 ones, the PCGS above has been the best info I've found so far.
From a technical perspective, I think their size / weight / mint markings are the same so it's sort of like duplicating the existing 1971 catalog entries, just with a 1970 date? And I have no clue on mintage, other than they are the same IC (Chiasso) mint - they came to me from a random coin shop in Italy via eBay.
Thank you!
(edit: figured out how to make the links above clickable, sorry about that)
I just made a search, and found no coins like that dated 1970, but there are lots dated 1971.
Do you have the coins?, or you just go for the data published at PCGS?
Those are commemorative coins, like those usually are minted just one year, does not make too much sense to they have made on 1970 and then issued on 1971
I looked Krause catalog, 2018 edition, and only shows the 1971 issues. There are no trials for these coins, and proof sets are for 1971 issues.
I also made a search on at NGC site, but nothing there.
It called my attention at PCGS the coins have a certification #, but no pictures of them.
As per all said before, I tend to think these coins do not have a 1970 issue, so, please be cautious about them. BUT if you own the coins, or at least you can have access to them, that's all solved.
If you have the coins, you should take pics of them.
To add them to catalog, you need to message in forum (seems there is no referee for Haiti), so an admin can take care of the issue, you should add the pictures of the coins, so you give proof they exist.
The best would be referee or admin set years list available, so you can go to page, click on "Modify or add information about this coin" link near end of page, so you can add the needed years, and you get the credit for modification.
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I have 2 of these coins physically - they are scratched up and not very good specimens, I took a small video of them after posting this forum message, you can see them here: https://www.instagram.com/p/B5ifqt6HWBm/
This weekend after a lot of searching for information I happened upon a another shop in Italy which had all three variations in very good shape which I have made an order and they are now in the mail. The website listed the KM# from the 1971 variations, but they are 1970 (same as what PCGS shows) reverse.
I have the same problem as you found - these coins do exist, they are real - they are just very undocumented. My next steps will be to try and email people from PCGS, NGC etc. and maybe the IC mint to find out more information if I can - PCGS has apparently graded a few of them, so they might know the most... I think these 3 coins are possibly mules.
Citeer: "oddpour"Hi, thank you for trying to help. :)
I have 2 of these coins physically - they are scratched up and not very good specimens, I took a small video of them after posting this forum message, you can see them here: https://www.instagram.com/p/B5ifqt6HWBm/
This weekend after a lot of searching for information I happened upon a another shop in Italy which had all three variations in very good shape which I have made an order and they are now in the mail. The website listed the KM# from the 1971 variations, but they are 1970 (same as what PCGS shows) reverse.
I have the same problem as you found - these coins do exist, they are real - they are just very undocumented. My next steps will be to try and email people from PCGS, NGC etc. and maybe the IC mint to find out more information if I can - PCGS has apparently graded a few of them, so they might know the most... I think these 3 coins are possibly mules.
I like when something can be proved. No doubts now.
When watching the video, I noticed coins are very thick. On 1971 issues page stats they are 2 mm thick, 40 mm diameter and 47g weight, it does not make sense, but also on edge it also says "piedfort thickness, incised" silver 40mm diameter, 2 mm thick should be not over 30g. I bet data on Numista is wrong.
You should weigh them, measure diameter and thickness, and then post a thread marked as "requesting the modification of a coin in the catalog", stating the differences found, and asking to fix them and add the new year. Also add the references you showed about PCGS and the video, so referee or admin don't need to search for confirmation; also you should mention this year is not listed at Krause.
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Citeer: "adanieluy"
I like when something can be proved. No doubts now.
When watching the video, I noticed coins are very thick. On 1971 issues page stats they are 2 mm thick, 40 mm diameter and 47g weight, it does not make sense, but also on edge it also says "piedfort thickness, incised" silver 40mm diameter, 2 mm thick should be not over 30g. I bet data on Numista is wrong.
You should weigh them, measure diameter and thickness, and then post a thread marked as "requesting the modification of a coin in the catalog", stating the differences found, and asking to fix them and add the new year. Also add the references you showed about PCGS and the video, so referee or admin don't need to search for confirmation; also you should mention this year is not listed at Krause.
I agree on the statistics - if you look at the normal 1970 coin (https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces40889.html) it is 3.97mm x 40mm x 47.05g which seems correct to me, the coins are thick; similar to the 1.5 ozt Maple "SuperLeaf" (4.5mm x 38mm) which I also own, so having a popular silver coin/bullion like the SuperLeaf 1.5ozt next to these coins, they are very similar even to the naked eye.
I have signed up for accounts on PCGS, their associated collectors.com forums and the NGCcoin site, there are some PCGS employees who monitor their Q&A forum -- I'm hoping if I can send them the ones they have in their system (links above) they can pull more detailed info about those items from the database. Seems like a good place to start, one would assume to grade a coin they have to keep these details somewhere, just not visible on the website links.
