I am having a little bit of hardship grading this 1840 Indian Rupee. The coin looks cool to me, and it has not been cleaned (eg. by vinegar or harmful chemicals etc.). However the obverse side is slightly worn as shown in the picture.
Your opinions are much appreciated. Thanks a lot.
By the way, you may click the pictures to get a clear view for your judgement.
Have a nice day and night depending on where you live collectors.
I was intrigued by the thought: ,,not been cleaned (eg. by vinegar or harmful chemicals etc.),,
I don't know anything about sorting just want to ask, why the queen has /always pretty and neat/ why the portrait creator put dirt in her ear?
If it's a black patina created by sulfur, so why is it only in places hardly accessible for cleaning ?
and further /Nice photos and zoom / why the smudges are like rain always in one direction ?
These are just questions, and if that coin was all black, she would still be beautiful anyway.
I don't criticize just have a question.
Citeer: "MIMAEL"Have a nice day and night depending on where you live collectors.
I was intrigued by the thought: ,,not been cleaned (eg. by vinegar or harmful chemicals etc.),,
I don't know anything about sorting just want to ask, why the queen has /always pretty and neat/ why the portrait creator put dirt in her ear?
If it's a black patina created by sulfur, so why is it only in places hardly accessible for cleaning ?
and further /Nice photos and zoom / why the smudges are like rain always in one direction ?
These are just questions, and if that coin was all black, she would still be beautiful anyway.
I don't criticize just have a question.
Ivan
It seems that you have not provided me with any assistance. Your questions indicate the predetermination.
I had additional note in parentheses to avoid miscommunication. However, I feel sorry to lead you to your further sarcastic questions without any answer to mine.
Thanks to the people who provided me with their opinions on grading this coin.
To make clarifications regarding the definition of cleaning, I had the note in the parentheses for indication.
Clearly, this coin is not XF to AU due to the partially worn portrait. It was not any better when I got it but covered with dirt.
Referring to the available cleaning methods, using vinegar or other harmful chemicals would reduce coins value in general.
Therefore, I did not apply those risky methods in removing the dirt. There was no washing power, other liquid or even water used.
This explains why black patina exists in the places difficult to access. Otherwise, the coin would have been fully shining if washed with chemicals.
Smudges surely exist because only gold cloth and pencil rubber were used during the removal of dirt over two days. I aimed to avoid causing a single scratche that can be generated by removing the dirt. It is provided to not wash the coin or harm it with chemical.
The wear at the portrait was there already before I started the dirt removal.
I was originally asking for grading assistance. I did not expect the arguments around the cleaning especially the additional note was provided in the parentheses.
Status gewijzigd naar Opgelost(Sleepybird, 30-jan-2020, 04:36)
Citeer: "Sleepybird"Thanks to the people who provided me with their opinions on grading this coin.
To make clarifications regarding the definition of cleaning, I had the note in the parentheses for indication.
Clearly, this coin is not XF to AU due to the partially worn portrait. It was not any better when I got it but covered with dirt.
Referring to the available cleaning methods, using vinegar or other harmful chemicals would reduce coins value in general.
Therefore, I did not apply those risky methods in removing the dirt. There was no washing power, other liquid or even water used.
This explains why black patina exists in the places difficult to access. Otherwise, the coin would have been fully shining if washed with chemicals.
Smudges surely exist because only gold cloth and pencil rubber were used during the removal of dirt over two days. I aimed to avoid causing a single scratche that can be generated by removing the dirt. It is provided to not wash the coin or harm it with chemical.
The wear at the portrait was there already before I started the dirt removal.
I was originally asking for grading assistance. I did not expect the arguments around the cleaning especially the additional note was provided in the parentheses.
While you may not have worn the coin down in any significant way, you described two modes of cleaning (rubber and gold cloth) whose methods of action are through abrasion. While neither usually leaves large scratches of the type left by say, baking soda, they do scratch the metal, this leaves a clear and distinctive color and reflectiveness pattern to the coin that is unmistakeable as signs of damage and cleaning to the experienced collector. since we have no pics of the pre-cleaning stage, it is difficult to judge if this is applicable, but in many cases, use of a carefully devised chemical cleaning process with organic solvents, water, and dilute acids can have better results than what you have here after a physical removal process, especially for high-grade silver coins.
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Citeer: "Sleepybird"Thanks to the people who provided me with their opinions on grading this coin.
To make clarifications regarding the definition of cleaning, I had the note in the parentheses for indication.
Clearly, this coin is not XF to AU due to the partially worn portrait. It was not any better when I got it but covered with dirt.
Referring to the available cleaning methods, using vinegar or other harmful chemicals would reduce coins value in general.
Therefore, I did not apply those risky methods in removing the dirt. There was no washing power, other liquid or even water used.
This explains why black patina exists in the places difficult to access. Otherwise, the coin would have been fully shining if washed with chemicals.
Smudges surely exist because only gold cloth and pencil rubber were used during the removal of dirt over two days. I aimed to avoid causing a single scratche that can be generated by removing the dirt. It is provided to not wash the coin or harm it with chemical.
The wear at the portrait was there already before I started the dirt removal.
I was originally asking for grading assistance. I did not expect the arguments around the cleaning especially the additional note was provided in the parentheses.
While you may not have worn the coin down in any significant way, you described two modes of cleaning (rubber and gold cloth) whose methods of action are through abrasion. While neither usually leaves large scratches of the type left by say, baking soda, they do scratch the metal, this leaves a clear and distinctive color and reflectiveness pattern to the coin that is unmistakeable as signs of damage and cleaning to the experienced collector. since we have no pics of the pre-cleaning stage, it is difficult to judge if this is applicable, but in many cases, use of a carefully devised chemical cleaning process with organic solvents, water, and dilute acids can have better results than what you have here after a physical removal process, especially for high-grade silver coins.
Thanks for your advice. I do not trust chemical or acid since I v seen others poor outcome and the permant damages made. However, your moderate approach sounds like a better idea. I will do some more research and make attempts accordingly.
Simply dipping the coin in hot water with mild shampoo for 1/2 hour and then using a tooth brush would have been removed the dirt without damaging the coins ! Its better that rubbing with rubber and gold cloth which damage the coins.
Citeer: "trailblazer1"Simply dipping the coin in hot water with mild shampoo for 1/2 hour and then using a tooth brush would have been removed the dirt without damaging the coins ! Its better that rubbing with rubber and gold cloth which damage the coins.
This was one of the traditional options taken into consideration. Unfortunately, I experienced that some coins were scratched by toothbrushes although the damage can be minimal.
No rubbing action was taken on this coin until the dirt was fully removed.
