French or Flemish? Coin or token? I need help - please! [opgelost]

I have not had any luck finding a coin or token on the internet that is a good match for this one. So I am not certain where it was struck, or when. I have had no luck, either, deciphering the ?Latin? inscription. Any assistance would be much appreciated.



Material: copper (hammered). Diameter: 2.5 cm. Thickness: 1.5 mm. Weight: about 3 grams.

Thank you. Regards,

Alex.

Well, you mentioned lettering - what can you make out?
I can only see a few, and maybe you can see more as you have it in hand.

Hello,
It is a XV-XVIth centuries Burgundian counter token.
Are yo up to swap it ? I would be very interested.

Citeer: "Quiquengrogne"​Hello,
​It is a XV-XVIth centuries Burgundian counter token.
​Are yo up to swap it ? I would be very interested.

​Good morning, Quiquengrogne. Thank you for that useful info. There seems to be quite a variation in the design of the cross on Burgundian 'tokens'. Some are more foliate than others. The Reverse on mine has a Cross Fleury (Croix Fleuronnée.)- plain in the middle with fleur-de-lis terminations. With fleurs in the angles forming a central quatrefoil.

The Coat of Arms on the Obverse of mine, though badly worn, seems to show the 3 Fleur-de-Lis of France in a shield. Yet it is the strange feature above that has puzzled me, as I am now thinking it is not a crown. Following your identification, I am looking at the Burgundian Netherlands. As some of their coins, like the Toisson Argent below (Philip the Fair, 1502) have something like it.



https://www.cgbfr.com/pays-bas-bourguignons-duche-de-brabant-philippe-le-beau-toison-dargent-ttb,bfe_329268,a.html

The description is in French, and says that ''the sheep of the Order of the Golden Fleece hang from two lighters". I presume lamp lighters. The Burgundian Netherlands 'tokens', though, usually have the coat of arms of that region. But I note some of the tokens have a central quatrefoil, such as a 'Briquet' of the Duchy of Geldre (Philip the Fair, 1492).

Then I saw this page on Numista. Here are French jetons with a central quatrefoil and Croix Fleuronnées in an outer quatrefoil, which mine has; 15th century examples are good matches for the cross and coat of arms.

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic27878.html

https://www.borderarchaeology.com/15th-century-french-jeton/

But I have not yet found a French token with the briquet on! So, I think, I will catalogue mine as late 15th century/early 16th French/Burgundian Jeton.

Thank for again for your help.

Regards, Alex.

Citeer: "Quiquengrogne"​Hello,
​It is a XV-XVIth centuries Burgundian counter token.
​Are yo up to swap it ? I would be very interested.

​Have just found this Duchy of Burgundy jeton of Charles Le Téméraire (The Bold) of 1467-1477. It has a briquet above the coat of arms [Obverse]. While the Reverse has a Fleury Cross in an outer quatrefoil.



https://www.cgb.fr/bourgogne-duche-de-bourgogne-charles-le-temeraire-jeton-de-compte-pour-la-bourgogne-tb-,fjt_090111,a.html

I think we can say this is Solved!

Thank you.

Regards, Alex.

Good morning Alex,
Are you up to swap it ?

Citeer: "Quiquengrogne"​Good morning Alex,
​Are you up to swap it ?

​Hi, Quiquengrogne. Thanks to your help, it is identified. This makes it the earliest coin/token in the French section of my collection. It was hard to get, so I am reluctant to part with it. Now it is labelled, and has found a 'home'.

Regards, Alex.

I can swap it to you for earlier coins or tokens of the same section (XIIIth century).

I have many duplicates of French feudal coins and of Gallic coins.

Citeer: "Quiquengrogne"​I have many duplicates of French feudal coins and of Gallic coins.
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​​The only other Burgundian gette/getoir I have found -so far - online is the one I posted about at 8:15 AM, with pictures from this website. It is close in style to mine, and also bronze. Most Burgundian coins seem to be silver.

https://www.cgb.fr/bourgogne-duche-de-bourgogne-charles-le-temeraire-jeton-de-compte-pour-la-bourgogne-tb-,fjt_090111,a.html

Citeer: "ALEX LOCKWOOD"​

Citeer​​​The only other Burgundian gette/getoir I have found -so far - online is the one I posted about at 8:15 AM, with pictures from this website. It is close in style to mine, and also bronze. Most Burgundian coins seem to be silver.

Good afternoon Alex,
​I don't understand why you say that. You mean that you won't swap a token for a coin, because it is another section? Or that I would neither swap a coin for a token, nor silver for bronze? I can swap a Burgundian silver coin for this token, or three feudal silver coins for it. I am also up to buy it.
I can see many other Burgundian tokens like yours or near to yours online. They are made of brass (not bronze).
I would love to get your token, because I collect counter tokens and especially Burgundian ones.