Province of Slavonia, Hungarian States?

obverse:


reverse:


approx. 15 mm and .54 g

Did I get the issuer correct? Assuming that I did, can anyone recognize which coin it might be? Is there a part I need to try to photograph better so you can read it?

Thanks!

Citeer: "Pott"​obverse:
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​approx. 15 mm and .54 g
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​Did I get the issuer correct? Assuming that I did, can anyone recognize which coin it might be? Is there a part I need to try to photograph better so you can read it?
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​Thanks!

​Good morning, Pott. The obverse has a Cross Crosslet (one with the end of each arm crossed). The Medieval coins with 'stars' I am finding are Scottish.

http://www.historyincoins.com/scottish.htm

(Hammered Silver Coinage)

Hope this helps. Regards, Alex.

PS: Have not yet found an example with... is it a dog or a wolf?

Citeer: "Pott"​obverse:
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​approx. 15 mm and .54 g
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​Did I get the issuer correct? Assuming that I did, can anyone recognize which coin it might be? Is there a part I need to try to photograph better so you can read it?
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​Thanks!

​Btw, Pott, I think I may have a lead on the Cross Crosslet and wolf/dog. Richard d'Avranches, 2nd Earl of Chester (1094 – 25 November 1120) had these on his coat of arms.

"At the age of twenty, in 1114, Richard was on military campaign and was styled the Earl of Chester. Together with King Alexander of Scotland, he led an Anglo-Norman army into Gwynedd as part of a three-pronged campaign organised by Henry I of England against Gwynedd, and Gruffudd ap Cynan. Gruffudd, rather than risk battle, satisfied the King with an oath of homage and a suitable fine. The campaign soon fizzled out, and Richard returned to Chester."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_d%27Avranches,_2nd_Earl_of_Chester

Have a nice day and health.

I received an auction offer from a favorite seller on Saturday, just an hour ago, I looked at this coin and thought I would buy it.
That's why I'm writing yes under the Hungarian provinces of Slavonia, check it there.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/slavonia_province-1.html

I don't know if this is exactly yours, check your letters and all the characters:



Ahoj Ivan

I thank you all for your efforts so far.

Yes MIMAEL, that does have a resemblance to my coin. There is the double cross with the crowned heads at the base, the cute critter (a marten?) facing left, and rosettes above and below it. There are a lot of possibilities in Numista. Not all of them have pictures and my writing isn't very clear. The diameter fits, but mine doesn't weigh enough.

Citeer: "Pott"​I thank you all for your efforts so far.
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​Yes MIMAEL, that does have a resemblance to my coin. There is the double cross with the crowned heads at the base, the cute critter (a marten?) facing left, and rosettes above and below it. There are a lot of possibilities in Numista. Not all of them have pictures and my writing isn't very clear. The diameter fits, but mine doesn't weigh enough.

​Hi, look, don't give up ! The weight and size of these coins are not such a decisive factor.
The very fact in which period they were minted and the technique, and especially inflation, deliberate reduction of silver content . when was it ever 0.0? nothing, So tracking weight as a deciding factor makes no sense.
Look at the rinsing of silver so that it doesn't lose its patina-here when he is hardly unidentifiable you will not harm him, on the contrary, you will keep him with his name for future generations.
Fonts and characters are important, look for the biggest match, we have some database without photos, so ask colleagues from Hungary who have a catalog.
don't give up fight
Ivan

I can say without a doubt it's Hungarian states: Province of Slavonia. It was struck in the 13th and 14th century. The mint mark should be on the reverse, usually letters or symbols on both sides of the doubled cross. If you can read the mint mark the coin can be tied to the exact ruler, year (or at least period) and mintmaster. In my opinion this is a later strike since it's corroded. Earlier strikes were pure silver while later the amount of silver was lowered.

Fun fact: Even though in the numista catalogue it's under Hungarian states this is considered the first Croatian coinage. The obverse depicts a marten running left, Croatia's currency is called "kuna" which means "marten".

Citeer: "cro321"​I can say without a doubt it's Hungarian states: Province of Slavonia. It was struck in the 13th and 14th century. The mint mark should be on the reverse, usually letters or symbols on both sides of the doubled cross. If you can read the mint mark the coin can be tied to the exact ruler, year (or at least period) and mintmaster. In my opinion this is a later strike since it's corroded. Earlier strikes were pure silver while later the amount of silver was lowered.
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​Fun fact: Even though in the numista catalogue it's under Hungarian states this is considered the first Croatian coinage. The obverse depicts a marten running left, Croatia's currency is called "kuna" which means "marten".

​Have a nice day to the south.
Absolute agreement with the reduced silver content that is seen on copper-and green plague.
I only have one such idea, I read the historical conditions in Slovenia in these old times.
The Hungarian province somehow irritates me , They expect in these years two kings depiction and under one belonged the territory of the Czech King Přemysl Otakar II.
And the coins were minted in the Croatian Mint /Zagreb or Pakrac/
So I'm not a nationalist but why can't Slovenes be proud of their "KUNU" Slavic double cross.

I would say yes,
Slovenian coin -Their ancestors paid for this skin pay the skin for the goods. Catching it and rarity was the hard currency of the Slavs. That's just the thread elsewhere who is interested in bending history.
Ahoj Ivan

Slavonia should be linked with Croatia - as Slavonia is now part of Croatia.

Alex, these coins are not Scots.

Aidan.

Here are a couple more pictures that are hopefully clearer in case someone can make out a mint mark or read what is left of the lettering on the other side

I can try to get closer if you think there is enough there to try



Thanks for all your help!

Citeer: "BCNumismatics"​Slavonia should be linked with Croatia - as Slavonia is now part of Croatia.
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​Aidan.

​now yes, but from the 11th centuries was part of the Hungarian Kingdom, and the coin minting here was really famous from it quality (at the first time )

sadly this coin is quite in a bad shape, even with the catalogue in my hand, I cant really figure out :(

"sadly this coin is quite in a bad shape, even with the catalogue in my hand, I cant really figure out"

Darn. Touching a piece of history is so much more fun when you know what part of history you are holding. I wish we could narrow it down to a ruler and therefore a limited date range. I suppose that is why the dealer had it in the bargain bin.

Thanks to all of you for your help.